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Title: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Sutter on July 13, 2015, 07:00:43 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/07/13/ben-folds-ymusic-phone-in-a-pool/
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: meecrofilm on July 13, 2015, 07:09:03 AM
I guess that solves the whole "f*cking" dilemma.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Sutter on July 13, 2015, 07:32:09 AM
I guess that solves the whole "f*cking" dilemma.
Yep. No f*cking problem!
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Steady As She Goes on July 13, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
I think it's one of his best choruses in a long time. That being said, I do think it lacks a certain punch.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: AmateurHour1999 on July 13, 2015, 11:50:13 AM
TBH I kind of like the live version at Bonnaroo better
But this song (along with Capable of Anything) are shaping up to make this BF album fantastic
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: fireworksordie on July 13, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
Agreed with all of the above, mostly. I was kinda disappointed when I heard this- for the majority of the song it lacks the energy of the live version.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: jpar on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
What happened to the song we've been rocking out to all summer? What's with this "Light FM" version? I'm reminded of Lonely Avenue. The raw songs are terrific but lost something in the released versions. "Phone in a Pool" sounds like it had the soul produced out of it.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Steady As She Goes on July 13, 2015, 03:35:01 PM
This is a personal opinion...and I know we are all Ben fans here so this is a bit of a dig at him..but I do feel that he's not as good at producing as he used to be. I think he intentionally avoids any and all "tricks of the trade" production techniques found in stereotypical pop music. He used to find a great balance of sounding unique, but not being afraid of using what flat out works. Rockin' the Suburbs is about half full of mid-tempo to ballady songs, but they all sound so damn powerful. There is no reason why Phone in a Pool should sound more mellow than Fred Jones Pt. 2, yet it does.

I think he's still writing great songs, don't get me wrong. Past his peak? Yes, let's be honest. (though he's still VERY consistent, more than most in a career as long as his). I have all the faith in him to make great albums still, he's just got some gigantic shoes to fill with every new release, and they happen to be his own.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Allison on July 13, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
What happened to the song we've been rocking out to all summer? What's with this "Light FM" version? I'm reminded of Lonely Avenue. The raw songs are terrific but lost something in the released versions. "Phone in a Pool" sounds like it had the soul produced out of it.

Yeah. I remember being pretty blown away by this song in Chicago. I wonder how much "pop single"ing happened to this.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: rocket21 on July 14, 2015, 03:29:58 AM
I find the tempo to be way too slow during the verses.  When yMusic joins in on the refrains, it's not as strikingly slow/forced.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: meecrofilm on July 14, 2015, 09:51:16 AM
Agreed with all of the above, mostly. I was kinda disappointed when I heard this- for the majority of the song it lacks the energy of the live version.

Yeah.  I mean, I get the whole "underwater" approach he was going for with the string hook during the chorus, but I still prefer them more vibrant.  Especially towards the end, right before the "auto-reply" line, yMusic + Sam really kick it in the live version.  First time listening to this one, I was startled by how non-startling that section sounded.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: jpar on July 14, 2015, 11:51:23 AM
This is a personal opinion...and I know we are all Ben fans here so this is a bit of a dig at him..but I do feel that he's not as good at producing as he used to be. I think he intentionally avoids any and all "tricks of the trade" production techniques found in stereotypical pop music. He used to find a great balance of sounding unique, but not being afraid of using what flat out works. Rockin' the Suburbs is about half full of mid-tempo to ballady songs, but they all sound so damn powerful. There is no reason why Phone in a Pool should sound more mellow than Fred Jones Pt. 2, yet it does.

I think he's still writing great songs, don't get me wrong. Past his peak? Yes, let's be honest. (though he's still VERY consistent, more than most in a career as long as his). I have all the faith in him to make great albums still, he's just got some gigantic shoes to fill with every new release, and they happen to be his own.

Well he's doing more of his own producing now. RtS was co-produced with Ben Grosse.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: AlexKintzle on July 14, 2015, 12:28:02 PM
It was recorded to be a single. So of course it sounds like it was produced to death.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: fireworksordie on July 14, 2015, 12:43:24 PM
It was recorded to be a single. So of course it sounds like it was produced to death.

sure, but even well-produced singles don't sound lifeless- that's the point.

wasn't this the last-in on the album, recorded while they were in chicago, and they literally finished it that day? my guess is that they did like, 2 takes and had to get the hell out. so it was what it was. so there. bummer.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Steady As She Goes on July 14, 2015, 05:40:23 PM
I still have high hopes for the album itself. Such a unique concept
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Sutter on July 14, 2015, 07:07:46 PM
I hope this album isn't marred by bad production. I thought Capable of Anything sounded pretty good. I've said it before though, it would be wise to release a live album once this tour is done. Ben, yMusic, and Sam all seem to have a lot of good chemistry onstage and everything I've heard sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Allison on July 14, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
Well do remember Phone in a Pool was recorded and added to the record last minute.
So recorded in a different place, produced at a different time, sung after two nights of back to back concerts, etc
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Sutter on July 14, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
Well do remember Phone in a Pool was recorded and added to the record last minute.
So recorded in a different place, produced at a different time, sung after two nights of back to back concerts, etc
Yeah. I think his voice might be a little more sensitive these days also. Sounded like his voice was giving out towards the end of the Bonnaroo gig.

Capable of Anything has a good sound, and lots of urgency in the recording. Energetic. So hopefully Phone in a Pool is the exception rather than the rule
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Allison on July 14, 2015, 09:58:24 PM
Well do remember Phone in a Pool was recorded and added to the record last minute.
So recorded in a different place, produced at a different time, sung after two nights of back to back concerts, etc
Yeah. I think his voice might be a little more sensitive these days also. Sounded like his voice was giving out towards the end of the Bonnaroo gig.

Capable of Anything has a good sound, and lots of urgency in the recording. Energetic. So hopefully Phone in a Pool is the exception rather than the rule

that and liquor isn't good for the vocal chords and whisky seems to be accompanying him on stage as of late
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: rocket21 on July 15, 2015, 05:02:22 AM
that and liquor isn't good for the vocal chords and whisky seems to be accompanying him on stage as of late

Said cup of booze spills on his keyboard during the Bonnaroo performance on Phone in a Pool.  He doesn't seem to notice immediately.  I hope he's not going Ted Kennedy on us!
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: meecrofilm on July 15, 2015, 05:33:18 AM
Yeah, it definitely sounded like his voice was shot at the Bonnaroo gig.  Can't speak for how it sounded at any of the following gigs, but it was great a month before in Munhall (avec the whiskey as well).
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Sutter on July 15, 2015, 08:24:44 AM
Well do remember Phone in a Pool was recorded and added to the record last minute.
So recorded in a different place, produced at a different time, sung after two nights of back to back concerts, etc
Yeah. I think his voice might be a little more sensitive these days also. Sounded like his voice was giving out towards the end of the Bonnaroo gig.

Capable of Anything has a good sound, and lots of urgency in the recording. Energetic. So hopefully Phone in a Pool is the exception rather than the rule

that and liquor isn't good for the vocal chords and whisky seems to be accompanying him on stage as of late
Indeed he has been drinking onstage lately! He was indulging in some scotch when I saw him in East Hampton NY last summer. Even asked someone offstage to get him more.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Steady As She Goes on July 15, 2015, 05:09:50 PM
Well do remember Phone in a Pool was recorded and added to the record last minute.
So recorded in a different place, produced at a different time, sung after two nights of back to back concerts, etc
Yeah. I think his voice might be a little more sensitive these days also. Sounded like his voice was giving out towards the end of the Bonnaroo gig.

Capable of Anything has a good sound, and lots of urgency in the recording. Energetic. So hopefully Phone in a Pool is the exception rather than the rule

that and liquor isn't good for the vocal chords and whisky seems to be accompanying him on stage as of late
Indeed he has been drinking onstage lately! He was indulging in some scotch when I saw him in East Hampton NY last summer. Even asked someone offstage to get him more.

I really don't wanna be one to pry into his life, he's always come across as a responsible guy, but I hope he ain't drinkin' too much!
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: jpar on July 16, 2015, 06:48:58 AM
I still have high hopes for the album itself. Such a unique concept

Agreed. And as time has gone by I've grown on the LP cut of Phone. Still wish it had a bit more punch to it, but it'll get me there.

That track was originally earmarked for the forthcoming Ben Folds Band release, and was recorded in Ireland during those sessions. Folds liked it with yMusic though so it was stolen from that album and added to "So There."

I don't know if the whole song was re-recorded in Chicago after the church gig or they just recorded the yMusic bits.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2015, 03:37:18 PM
It'll be interesting to see where Phone in a Pool lands in the track listing. I always like when albums have a good dynamic of intensity (Messner and Suburbs both to a supreme job at it), and 9/11 will tell.

Well. Probably earlier cause I'm sure a place like NPR will have it streaming a week in advance - but I will wait. I always wait till the physical copy arrives. 
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: dogofthetemple on July 16, 2015, 04:01:01 PM
It'll be interesting to see where Phone in a Pool lands in the track listing. I always like when albums have a good dynamic of intensity (Messner and Suburbs both to a supreme job at it), and 9/11 will tell.

Well. Probably earlier cause I'm sure a place like NPR will have it streaming a week in advance - but I will wait. I always wait till the physical copy arrives. 
Here is the track listing according to Amazon:

    Capable Of Anything
    Not A Fan
    So There
    Long Way To Go
    Phone In A Pool
    Yes Man
    F10-D-A
    I'm Not The Man
    Concerto For Piano and Orchestra, Movement 1
    Concerto For Piano and Orchestra, Movement 2
    Concerto For Piano and Orchestra, Movement 3

Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: ViaChicago on July 16, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
It'll be interesting to see where Phone in a Pool lands in the track listing. I always like when albums have a good dynamic of intensity (Messner and Suburbs both to a supreme job at it), and 9/11 will tell.

Well. Probably earlier cause I'm sure a place like NPR will have it streaming a week in advance - but I will wait. I always wait till the physical copy arrives. 

I can't remember if it was in one of little instagram videos or at Bonnaroo, but either way, at some point Ben said that Phone in a Pool is the first track on Side B of the first disc.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: ViaChicago on July 16, 2015, 05:17:35 PM
It'll be interesting to see where Phone in a Pool lands in the track listing. I always like when albums have a good dynamic of intensity (Messner and Suburbs both to a supreme job at it), and 9/11 will tell.

Well. Probably earlier cause I'm sure a place like NPR will have it streaming a week in advance - but I will wait. I always wait till the physical copy arrives. 
Here is the track listing according to Amazon:

    Capable Of Anything
    Not A Fan
    So There
    Long Way To Go
    Phone In A Pool
    Yes Man
    F10-D-A
    I'm Not The Man
    Concerto For Piano and Orchestra, Movement 1
    Concerto For Piano and Orchestra, Movement 2
    Concerto For Piano and Orchestra, Movement 3



Is F10-D-A the silly little improv thing that's at the very end of Ben's last Nerdist appearance?

http://nerdist.com/nerdist-podcast-ben-folds-3/

(Starts at 1:25:55)

It's a music theory joke and a penis joke at the same time  ;D
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: meecrofilm on July 17, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
Hah, yeah, that's what I immediately thought of as well.  I assumed that was just an amusing album outtake they saved, not an actual track though... will be interesting to see how it fits in the overall vibe of the record.  I'm guessing very weirdly, to put it politely.  :P

First time I heard it it sounded like Regina Spektor's voice was the female popping up throughout it -- or am I just hearing things?
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Kyle on July 24, 2015, 12:23:17 PM
Phone in a Pool debuted on 90.9 The Bridge in Kansas City yesterday.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Playhouse on July 25, 2015, 03:29:20 AM
I find the tempo to be way too slow during the verses.  When yMusic joins in on the refrains, it's not as strikingly slow/forced.

It's kind of funny because if you take a listen to the tempo of the song during the Temple U performance back in May (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDBanOvrqHo) it actually matches up well with the studio track.

When you listen to the song at Bonnaroo, kind of like a number of the songs during that gig, it's faster.
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Eric on July 26, 2015, 03:02:41 AM
I find the tempo to be way too slow during the verses.  When yMusic joins in on the refrains, it's not as strikingly slow/forced.

It's kind of funny because if you take a listen to the tempo of the song during the Temple U performance back in May (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDBanOvrqHo) it actually matches up well with the studio track.

When you listen to the song at Bonnaroo, kind of like a number of the songs during that gig, it's faster.
That video is a pretty great video of the back of my head :)
Title: Re: Another album cut: Phone in a Pool
Post by: Steady As She Goes on July 26, 2015, 09:35:00 AM
I'm really growing to love the songs from this album. Don't get me wrong, I do like the studio versions, but there's just something so powerful about the ymusic band during live performances that doesn't completely translate when recorded.