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Title: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 16, 2008, 03:33:26 PM
I don't see why there isn't a topic about this... how can i hear them?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 16, 2008, 04:15:23 PM
seriously, anyone?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 16, 2008, 06:13:35 PM
here:

<removed by Andy, 'cause Sony have more lawyers than we do>
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: caats19 on July 16, 2008, 06:26:31 PM
some seem real. like free coffee, you don't know me and prob hiroshima. we got a discussion bout this on the .org.  some seem real fake/or at least jokes. it's probably a fake leak ben put out or something.  i hope so anyway.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 08:05:03 PM
Just downloading and extracting has me questioning. Actually. I'd pretty much made up my mind that it was fake with the lack of certain tracks, as aforementioned on the homepage...

And, why would he change the title of Effington? That seems highly unlikely. I'm gonna give 'em a spin and then edit this post.

Okay. Cologne: sure sounds like ben vocally. i could be convinced... though I thought the song was supposed to be short? last i knew a 6 minute song wasn't short. But I know nothing about the song outside of that.

where's the intro to TBWN? Lyrics are completely wrong however. COMPLETELY.

Wasn't Frown Song supposedly a title y'all voted for?

"Way to Normal" is a HOOT however. The more I hear these this is surely a joke. And it's a good laugh. Props to whoever did this. And I could be easily convinced it was Ben and the boys. I guess I don't know anyone that could imitate Ben's voice so well.... Definitely not anything like Effington. Pretty political.

Dr Yang? I don't really know what to make of it.

Free Coffee is also nothing like the one I know. also a HOOT.

Hiroshima at least has the right beat. And the audience. The right lyrics so far... I could be convinced this is the real one. I didn't make it all the way through the song.

"Brainwashct" HAHA. Also wrong lyrics.

You Don't Know Me has the right lyrics as well. And I also didn't make it all the way through, just in case it is the uh, quote un quote - real version.

And that's my .02
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 16, 2008, 08:08:51 PM
you dont know me, hiroshima, and cologne all sound real to me. the others, i'm not sure sure. but its deffinetly ben in all the songs. and it's definitely studio quality and all that. who knows
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 08:22:49 PM
Loads of people were fooled by the Death Cab leak. I was, though I only listened once and was unimpressed... I was much more pleased with the real album.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: caats19 on July 16, 2008, 08:34:10 PM
funny if he actually made fake songs to mess with people.  that must be the reason brainwascht and bitch are different(and crappy) from the live ones.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 08:38:36 PM
You know, it really wouldn't surprise me. Ben's a shit maker for a profession.   i can just see them sitting wherever they were and being like... HEY what if WE make a fake leak!?!?

Just a thought that popped up while talking to Mel...


"Way to Normal" is not Effington... but... what if he's doing that whole Redneck Past and "Redneck past is nipping at my heals" bit?

I dunno. I'm pretty much convinced it is Ben singing. It sure as hell is a good imitation if it's not...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 16, 2008, 08:57:51 PM
it's definitely Ben.  gotta be.

but, i'm thinking Ben's a bitch (i mean that in the best possible way) and made a fake leak to stir buzz or just, you know, laugh at our reactions.  i bet Jared's having a good giggle reading this right now...

Hiroshima and You Don't Know Me sound like probables to be real though.  Way to Normal could be too, like allison said.  possibly a reference from one song to another.  who knows...
i'm debating whether to listen to this more or just trash it and wait for the realness.

ok, 'free coffee final' has me laughing a lot.  even if this is fake, it's still hilarious.

i pray dr yang is fake.  please, ben... please?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Errant Dog on July 16, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
I'm going to test my will power here, and resist the urge to download this. I'll just take your guys word for it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 09:10:08 PM
i bet Jared's having a good giggle reading this right now...


Yep. He's all five of our current guests on this thread.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: asydlow81 on July 16, 2008, 09:12:20 PM
I think this was released by Ben and Co.  in order to test out different versions of songs.  TBWN is better, BW is worse, FC I like both.  I really hope You Don't Know Me is real though.  The duet with Regina Spektor is incredible.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 16, 2008, 09:21:58 PM
i think the ones where he lacks chords and sound like he made them up in ten minutes are the fake ones...

also, a magazine confirmed that free coffee had his crazy altoid thing... this one doesn't at all.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 09:27:28 PM
But you see, lots of these songs are based off of Rock this Bitches that were 10 minute made up songs. 10 seconds in some cases...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 16, 2008, 09:38:35 PM
"Cause when you're being f*cked with..."

I f*cking love Ben Folds sometimes...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 16, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
so here's what i think is gonna go down...
ben put together this 9 track album cause he knows how mad it would get us.  he took forever in the studio cause he was recording a handful of crap tracks to release to the public in addition to his real songs... the only songs i believe to be real right now are you dont' know me, hiroshima, and cologne.  he released those with the album so that it would be somewhat believable as a fake leak, and because he knows some of us hardcore people have been waiting forever for it.  having a fake leak can stir up interest-- after all, death cab had a widely accepted fake leak and their album went to number one.  the songs that aren't real are very repetitive and go against what we've heard about the album.  of course, this leak is gonna get eaten up and a million people are gonna have it and think it's the real deal and he'll come out sometime later and tell us all how he fooled us, cause he likes to do that.  and then we'll get the real deal in like, a couple months, and all the live songs will be on there plus a couple of good ones we haven't heard yet.  and we'll all be happy.  but then have a cool ass fake leak album.  the origin of these tracks is also mysterious too, so why should we trust it? come on now, some of them are worse then the radio jingles from SFG.

so for the next month, i'll enjoy the real ones and the questionable ones that are decent (frown song, free coffee, and dr yang are terrible.)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 10:23:10 PM
I've packed my files away in a folder, in my Ben Folds music folder.... but I'm not loading it into my itunes. I didn't listen to a full copy of any of them. Cause. I don't wanna. Waiting for that CD to arrive in the mail... September 29th. Cause goodness knows that's what pre-ordering is for. Day early arrivals in my mailbox!

That being said, Kidney I think your theory up there is very plausible.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 16, 2008, 10:23:47 PM
so here's what i think is gonna go down...
ben put together this 9 track album cause he knows how mad it would get us.  he took forever in the studio cause he was recording a handful of crap tracks to release to the public in addition to his real songs... the only songs i believe to be real right now are you dont' know me, hiroshima, and cologne.  he released those with the album so that it would be somewhat believable as a fake leak, and because he knows some of us hardcore people have been waiting forever for it.  having a fake leak can stir up interest-- after all, death cab had a widely accepted fake leak and their album went to number one.  the songs that aren't real are very repetitive and go against what we've heard about the album.  of course, this leak is gonna get eaten up and a million people are gonna have it and think it's the real deal and he'll come out sometime later and tell us all how he fooled us, cause he likes to do that.  and then we'll get the real deal in like, a couple months, and all the live songs will be on there plus a couple of good ones we haven't heard yet.  and we'll all be happy.  but then have a cool ass fake leak album.

sounds like a likely turn of events.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 10:29:19 PM
Someone explain to me where these tracks came from in the first place? Who found them, where were they originally hosted, etc....

do we even know?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 16, 2008, 10:30:30 PM
then again, if they are all real, we have a really freaky album that dips in quality hardcore.  ben's obviously a smart dude though-- he knows crap songs when he hears them, and a couple of them are definately crap... and he knows the internet is a huge leak and everyone gets their albums that way... it's like we're all being set up, but obviously a ton of people are gonna download this... you can bet there's gonna be alot of music news coverage on this.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 10:33:09 PM
the thing is, not many "blog" sites or music sites really have a sense of ben's humor unless they're a more devoted fan.... few, if any, probably know about the whole levitation ordeal, or the improv everywhere bit.... they might've a clue if they saw the myspace broadcast....
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Nudist on July 16, 2008, 10:40:12 PM
I'm so confused.  If this is real, it's essentially a disaster.  I think it's a joke, and I hope I'm right.  It does seem like Ben's humor to do something like this, and yet at the same time it's distressing me because I can't imagine someone taking the time to make a fake album.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 10:43:10 PM
Meh. They've got a bit of time off. And who knows. They're full of surprises.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Nudist on July 16, 2008, 10:49:01 PM
Having now listened to Way To Normal, this has to be fake.  LOL @ the dramatic vocals..."IS THIS THE WAY TO NORMAL", it sounds like it HAS to be self-parody.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 16, 2008, 11:05:11 PM
I got a kick out of the album artwork too. For a photography man. hahahaahah. with the little X marks the spot bit. I got a good laugh.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TingeltangelBob on July 16, 2008, 11:51:30 PM
This reminds me, when a crappy version of the last CD of the German Rock Band "Die Ärzte - Jazz ist anders (Jazz is different)" got leaked. Everybody was guessing, that the songs were all fake, but in the end they eventually were the right versions (though in better quality). Nevertheless, the cd was a big success and it is still listed at number 5 in the top 100 after more than 30 weeks.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: PAUL LLEWELLYN on July 17, 2008, 12:21:55 AM
Funny stuff. TBWN is very funny. I really hope too many people don't think that this is the real deal.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 12:43:57 AM
the .org want to believe that it's real, for the most part.  but, that's generally because they want to think that Ben produces shit.  hell, if they actually enjoy this album, that'll be the end of the site as we know it.  they won't have anything to talk about.  perhaps they could reminisce on the "sh*ttyness of silverman". 
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: PAUL LLEWELLYN on July 17, 2008, 12:52:57 AM
What is it with the .org? I don't get it. Was it set up by Ben haters? Am I missing some history?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 17, 2008, 01:14:42 AM
first track i've put on is you don't know which sounds pretty genuine to me
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 17, 2008, 01:16:44 AM
f*ckING HELL YOU DON'T KNOW ME IS ACE! well ELO style
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 17, 2008, 01:20:26 AM
sorry for three posts in a row, just to add... thinking about it, from what i've heard so far and from the live versions in general i imagine the press will hate this album.

can anyone confirm that cologne is the same as the version they heard at the studio filming the other week?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: pianoman on July 17, 2008, 04:24:16 AM
this is f*cking hilarious. "if we all could be so free........... coffee."
any idiot who thinks it's all the real album just has to read that paste article. Thanks for keeping us entertained until september ben.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: caats19 on July 17, 2008, 05:16:45 AM
guys.  i don't get why the .org is such an enigma to you guys.  the big joke is that we all hate ben. tho truthfully, most of us think SFS was his worst album, there's still some that like it but prob still partake in the joke.  as you can see, a lot of the board wanted to hear the new stuff. 

and we're not hoping it's real because it's shit.  if someone said that...it's probably a joke. joke? you know those?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: PAUL LLEWELLYN on July 17, 2008, 05:20:02 AM
caats. Okay, I get it. There's just so much "hate" going on over there that to a newbie it seems a little off. I'll have another look-see.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: caats19 on July 17, 2008, 05:36:31 AM
for the most part you just gotta take everything about ben with a sarcastic tone. sometimes, sometimes we just hate him.  the thread about the new stuff was actually kinda genuine discussion about ben(for us anyway).
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 17, 2008, 05:37:20 AM
anyone wanna upload the tracks to wokeup? *glares at sony's lawyers*
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 05:41:13 AM
yeah where on earth are you getting the idea that we (the .org) believed the album was real? we WANT ben's new album to be good, that's what i think people are misunderstanding here. we're not looking for cheap fodder to further dissect, we actually just want this artist who has written material that most of us love dearly to make music that we enjoy again. silverman took a lot of flack, and that's where all the animosity really comes from. that and the fact that ben is trying way too hard to be funny lately, whereas he was much more charming before when he wasn't trying so damned hard.

and i have to say that i really enjoy hiroshima, cologne (though the lyrics are very iffy), you don't know me (a LOT), and even way to normal. which are the most legitimate tracks on there, perhaps excluding wtn. so things look good.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 17, 2008, 06:11:26 AM
Andy were you asked to remove the link or were you just playing it safe?
Because it's one hell of a hoax if Sony's lawyers are in on it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 17, 2008, 06:37:36 AM
ok this is getting out of hand!

a) all the songs on this album ARE ben folds - his voice and piano is on EVERY track. they haven't been made by anyone else, its him.
b) would he really go to the effort of writing, recording and leaking loads of tracks that aren't actually on the album just for a laugh? i doubt it.
c) they're all pretty highly polished, they don't sound like demos (unless ben does REALLY good demos)
d) sony made andy remove the download like

so i think we probably actually have some of the album here.
i'm prepared to eat my words but i just can't fathom ben actually recording all these songs just to release them for a laugh.

for the record, i like most of the tracks a lot (three listens in)
and if these aren't on the album then at least we have some extra tracks, but i still think they're probably mostly legit.

/ over
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: zinefiend on July 17, 2008, 06:42:31 AM
Jeez, take one day off and, to quote a great scholar of our time, shit gets real.  Seriously, someone PM me and point me in the direction of the tracks.  I want to be in on the discussion and/or joke. 
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 06:45:53 AM
i do not at all believe that ben completely re-wrote free coffee, brainwashed, and the bitch went nuts. nor do i think dr. yang or the frown song are going to be on the album. i just think this might be a pretty elaborate joke on ben's part. the guy's got his own studio, he must have tracked these when he was doing the whole album. i dunno if he originally intended to do this fake leak thing, but they have a very "ben's just screwing around making poop jokes in the studio" vibe to them. three or four of the songs are produced enough to seem real though. if the song way to normal's a joke, it's a joke with a pretty great chorus.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 17, 2008, 06:48:51 AM

b) would he really go to the effort of writing, recording and leaking loads of tracks that aren't actually on the album just for a laugh? i doubt it.


Yes.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 17, 2008, 06:52:35 AM
if we do get another 10 brand new tracks on top of these 9 i'll be well happy as I like these lot, so fingers crossed i guess.

but i just don't think everyone should assume this is definitely a joke
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 06:56:14 AM
i would say you don't know me, hiroshima, cologne, and possibly way to normal are all real. the rest are either b-sides or jokes.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: jordmeister on July 17, 2008, 07:02:07 AM
Some of you guys think he wouldn't record a full joke album, but to me it is exactly something Ben WOULD do.

Remember the fake suicide on MySpace?  And the many jokes in 2002 involving Bill Clinton, and the autographed thong... which his lawyer was in on, if I remember correctly.

And I think the reason there appears to be a couple of legitimate tracks on the album is for publicity.  Perhaps "You Don't Know Me" or is planned as the first single.  

Also, 9 tracks seems like JUST the right amount to make a fake album but still seem semi believable.  I mean, it's only 34 minutes long.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 07:12:44 AM
Also, 9 tracks seems like JUST the right amount to make a fake album but still seem semi believable.  I mean, it's only 34 minutes long.

34 minutes for 9 tracks is a pretty long album there.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 17, 2008, 07:49:16 AM
would he really go to the effort of writing, recording and leaking loads of tracks that aren't actually on the album just for a laugh?

yeah seems like something he might do... for TBWN and Brainwashed (those are the different ones, right?) he definitely went to the effort of writing tracks that aren't right, whether the wrong ones are the live ones or the leaked ones.

Meanwhile, could someone email me the link, please?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: javajunkie (lynn) on July 17, 2008, 08:20:26 AM
Jeez, take one day off and, to quote a great scholar of our time, shit gets real.  Seriously, someone PM me and point me in the direction of the tracks.  I want to be in on the discussion and/or joke. 

Seconded. I feel like I'm out in the cold with my face pressed against the window...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: perplexy on July 17, 2008, 08:30:58 AM
xfb
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Post by: Drawed on July 17, 2008, 08:33:38 AM
HDrew9 at comcast.net

if you don't feel like looking at my profile.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Nudist on July 17, 2008, 08:40:19 AM
I must say, You Don't Know Me is awesome.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 17, 2008, 08:43:22 AM
dangit! i always miss out on awesome stuff like this :-\

email me if possible: ericthederek at aol dot com
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: PAUL LLEWELLYN on July 17, 2008, 09:05:57 AM
I hope that we get some official word soon. It's a strange collection. Why would someone have just these songs to leak? I'm wondering if they are B-sides and alternative versions.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 17, 2008, 09:25:43 AM
I just want to bump the question that someone asked earlier, which is if anyone who went to Ben's studio to film the DVD knows whether this version of cologne is real or not.
didn't someone who was in the filming mention that it was "a short little ditty?" in their review of the experience?

a six minute song, which this leaked version of cologne is, certainly isn't a "short little ditty"
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 17, 2008, 09:33:46 AM
i finally got it.

i only listened to a few seconds of each. as much as i want to listen to it all, i just can't. i want to be at least mostly surprised when i get the album. but i gotta say, i'm leaning towards the idea that this is a joke. TBWN is 100% different than what was played in concert. it's most definitely not Ben's style of a song. and You Don't Know Me, as great as it sounds, seems also to be a joke. it's kinda cheesy when it comes to vocals. i love what i heard, but it still seems a bit... off.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 17, 2008, 09:36:23 AM
Andy were you asked to remove the link or were you just playing it safe?
Because it's one hell of a hoax if Sony's lawyers are in on it.

For my part, Sony have NOT been in touch over this, though that may be because I've been fairly prompt.

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 17, 2008, 09:37:24 AM
Well all this appeared to happen in the early hours of the morning back over here and then I went to work...so i better hunt down a link off someone im curious!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 09:52:30 AM
Perhaps "You Don't Know Me" is planned as the first single.  

he's previously said that Hiroshima was going to be the first single.

and, i'm with you lot on this... Hiroshima, Cologne, and You Don't Know Me all appear to be real on first listen.  i'm not so sure about the title track.  the rest are obviously fake though.  at least, i'd hope that they are.
he could just be like amanda and put up a new song on his myspace.  but, noooo... he has to f*ck with us.
which is all fine and dandy because i will be entertained by this b-sidetastic 'album' until september 30 (5 days from my birthday!).
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: jordmeister on July 17, 2008, 10:00:52 AM
Also, 9 tracks seems like JUST the right amount to make a fake album but still seem semi believable.  I mean, it's only 34 minutes long.

34 minutes for 9 tracks is a pretty long album there.

That is true.  However, what I meant to say was that, assuming that Cologne, YDKM, and Hiroshima are legitimate, which I believe them to be, that leaves a little over 20 minutes of "fake" material.  Even less if the title track is also legit.  Which is not that much for Ben to bullshit to make a fake leak.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: zinefiend on July 17, 2008, 10:05:13 AM
Way to Normal
For the Win

This is truly epic.  Well played, sir. 
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 17, 2008, 10:11:14 AM
Way to Normal
For the Win

This is truly epic.  Well played, sir. 

I love the chorus in that song
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 10:11:21 AM
http://catatemysofa.blogspot.com/2008/07/fen-bolds.html

this guy might in trouble but oh well
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 17, 2008, 10:15:12 AM
For those wondering about Cologne in relation to the DVD shoot, have a listen:


Man, Jared is awesome.

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 10:24:21 AM
the choir part is the same.  and, in the leak, the lyrics mention the astronaut who drove to kill in a diaper, which somebody had mentioned being part of the lyrics after being in the studio.  sounds pretty legit unless ben got these people to participate only to put them on a fake.  that would just be wrong...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Euan on July 17, 2008, 10:28:03 AM
That album cover is surely genuine. I recognise the skull to be Bens.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: zinefiend on July 17, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
Free Coffee is making me laugh so hard I actually shot cupcake icing out my nose.

Also, Dr. Yang is my new favorite song. 
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 17, 2008, 10:30:46 AM
Hiroshima, You Don't Know Me, Way To Normal & Cologne will be on the album, the others not so much i think. If this is the case, pretty good effort for some fakes!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
You know, for a leak, I'm surprised it had absolutely no tags on it at all.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 11:03:33 AM
very true, allison.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 11:05:17 AM
I just opted to listen to them in whatever order they loaded into winamp with. Which was completely random.

Normally leaks come with track numbers and all that. And I've never seen the album artwork as a pdf and not jpg. That just even more makes me think these came from the source.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: HiFi on July 17, 2008, 11:13:55 AM
There's a noticeable difference between the three songs we know are real (You Don't Know Me, Hiroshima and Cologne) and the other tracks. Ben's voice sounds distinctly different, as if those three tracks were professionally produced and the rest were recorded and produced quickly at home.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: maxwall on July 17, 2008, 11:59:05 AM
Hmmm... catatemysofa has exceeded its bandwidth... Anyone mind sending 'em to maxryanwall@yahoo.com ? I want to see what y'all are talking 'bout!

Thx!  \m/
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Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 12:13:58 PM
Hmmm... catatemysofa has exceeded its bandwidth...
Same here - *** if you please... (Got it now - thanks :))
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: maxwall on July 17, 2008, 12:29:31 PM
OK. Just finished with Bitch Went Nutz... Started "Brainwascht"...

My vote - this is obviously Ben joking. (At least the first 2 I've heard...).

I highly doubt Ben's official release will include lyrics about Dick Cheney, and he's using his "joking" singing voice a lot...

Think about it - hasn't he had a lot of time to tinker with his MySpace photos/etc.? I think he's teasing us. Which is great. This is certainly the Ben Folds I got into in '97. (God, has it been over 10 years?  :P )
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cdonovan on July 17, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
Wait where do we find these songs?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 17, 2008, 12:36:39 PM
all i want is to be able to listen without thinking that i'm ruining the surprise of the actual release. also... my parents won't let me download "questionable" stuff. if it was Ben himself that put this stuff out there, then it's ok. but the fact that it's a mystery as of right now takes away the choice to download. :(

come on ben. come clean.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 12:46:23 PM
There's a noticeable difference between the three songs we know are real (You Don't Know Me, Hiroshima and Cologne) and the other tracks. Ben's voice sounds distinctly different, as if those three tracks were professionally produced and the rest were recorded and produced quickly at home.
The Frown Song sounds pretty damn good... Thoroughly enjoying the "album" - I really hope it's a joke by Ben though - I'd be upset if someone who wasn't him had leaked it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 17, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
I think the cover art is fake too... the font/style is just like SFS, and he hasn't been following that theme on his others... doesn't make sense to use the same thing on 2 out of 8 cd's... or even 2/3 if you only count the regular studio albums.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
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Didn't Ben get kind of cross about people reviewing half-finished tracks downloaded from the Internet? Is this some kind of revenge?
Andy said the above on the front page.

What if. The songs he's been playing at the gigs are the fakes? We know he hates reviews on half finished songs recorded on cameraphones...

Although I think that's even more ludicrous to suggest than these being fakes, but hey...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: xeenlord - CliffyK on July 17, 2008, 01:00:07 PM
has anyone else noticed that a couple of the suspected fakes "steal" their main piano riffs from other Ben related songs.  Or at least sound alot like it.

For example, the main riff on Dr. Yang is very similar to the first InterFM jingle from SFG...just try to hear the  "Don't touch that dial... it's got Jam on it!!!".  And Brainwascht has a very similar riff to "Backstabber" by the Dresden Dolls, and that of course is a Ben Connection.

It may be a stretch, but it could be another clue towards the fakery.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 17, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
What if. The songs he's been playing at the gigs are the fakes?

That's what I first thought before everyone said that these are the fakes...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Boz on July 17, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
This is all so very interesting.  Thank goodness for the internet.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 01:20:19 PM
What if. The songs he's been playing at the gigs are the fakes?

That's what I first thought before everyone said that these are the fakes...
The whole altoids thing would be a cool way to ensure it gets around the net too...

Perhaps there are two of every track on the album :)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 01:26:57 PM
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Didn't Ben get kind of cross about people reviewing half-finished tracks downloaded from the Internet? Is this some kind of revenge?
Andy said the above on the front page.

What if. The songs he's been playing at the gigs are the fakes? We know he hates reviews on half finished songs recorded on cameraphones...

Although I think that's even more ludicrous to suggest than these being fakes, but hey...
I wish he didn't think my Canon is a cameraphone. my phone doesn't even take video! thanx.

and. if the whole i'm gonna play these old rock this bitches to real songs so y'all think they're the new ones, and then put out a new album with similar titles would be absolutely ridiculous.

man. do we like conspiracy theories or what?



i wonder how long til this tread hits the top 10.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 01:36:46 PM
and. if the whole i'm gonna play these old rock this bitches to real songs so y'all think they're the new ones, and then put out a new album with similar titles would be absolutely ridiculous.
But - and this is the thing - there are definitely two versions of at least two songs. So one of them is fake - unless they recorded/produced them that far, binned them and started again.

You Don't Know Me = Amazing.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 01:39:22 PM
Right. But why continually preform the fake ones? Seems like a lot more work than f*ckin around in the studio to shit out a fake song once and never play it again.

That being said... I want to yell for a fake at my next gig. Whichever is the fake. If "Way to Normal" isn't a real one (i'm out on this one) I'd love to yell for it at a show.


Whatever the case may be, Ben Folds and Co FTW, cause they've got us all befuddled and enthused.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: flutterbee on July 17, 2008, 01:41:10 PM
Sorry to be abit stupid, But can someone fill me in if we have heard this song Way to Normal elsewhere?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: 88kickinkeys on July 17, 2008, 01:42:27 PM
the live versions of TBWN and Brainwashed are both a lot better than these recorded ones though, both musically and lyrically - i have a really hard time believing he'd play better songs as a joke and the real songs would really be this bad. but that's just my opinion over here.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: 88kickinkeys on July 17, 2008, 01:42:57 PM
flutterbee, i am pretty positive that we have not heard the song way to normal anywhere else.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 01:45:44 PM
I am positive of it. Unless someone has heard it without sharing another one being released.

And yeah. The live versions of the songs with alternate titles are far better than these. However. These are a good hoot. Remind me of RtS b-sides. Which we all know were shat out in a day, so perhaps it's the same idea. Gotta say the fact that SFS had no b-sides (except Bitches, which ended up on SSSG anyway) was kind of sad.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 01:46:31 PM
http://catatemysofa.blogspot.com/2008/07/fen-bolds.html

links are fixed now
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: flutterbee on July 17, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
I feel that the lyric
"with all the people waiting to hear your next cd"
is rather fitting at the moment!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 01:49:26 PM
Yeah. He knows we've been waiting. And he knows that we all don't think SSSG counts for anything.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 01:50:01 PM
i wanna yell for Dr Yang just for shits.  i wonder if this is appropriate at a symphony gig.   ::) lol
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 01:55:13 PM
Somehow I doubt it.

And seeing as I have no current future gigs my statement is kind of worthless.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: flutterbee on July 17, 2008, 01:57:45 PM
Dr Yang requires alot of Tambo man action. Would that work on stage?! I would like to see that.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 02:02:14 PM
And yeah. The live versions of the songs with alternate titles are far better than these.
You see, I've felt for a while that Free Coffee and TBWN are rather dull in the live versions - they're lively, but musically not very interesting - with Hiroshima they make the album sound very samey. These ones are much nicer. IMO.

I'm sure I'll be disappointed, and the live ones will make it on the album and these are just fakes, but I really like the idea that Ben has been playing fakes for the last few months. It has a certain cheekiness that I love.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 02:03:25 PM
if there's one word to describe Ben, it's cheeky without doubt.  but, that's an extremely far-fetched conspiracy theory.  why play fakes all this time?  i hope those weren't fakes.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 02:07:58 PM
Yeah. I gotta say, I have a certian attachment to the live versions.

That and
"you wanna know why?"
"Why?"
"Cause you're a douche, that's why."

make me laugh every time. maybe not that intelligent lyrically (but neither is a lot of SFTD, but it's still a rocking song). it makes me smile. and why would you not want to yell that at ben at live shows. really?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 02:10:36 PM
why play fakes all this time?  i hope those weren't fakes.
You say fakes, I say two albums for the price of one :) I think we should just be happy we have LOADS of new songs.

Surely this Free Coffee's lyrics are no less stupid than the live one...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 02:16:58 PM
Okay. Someone want to clue me in on how we got this leak? Where did it first appear?

Andy has this source. I've been doing some wondering on how close to the source this source is.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: 88kickinkeys on July 17, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
Gotta say the fact that SFS had no b-sides (except Bitches, which ended up on SSSG anyway) was kind of sad.

wasn't Side of the Road an SFS B-side? (Also, you might be able to count the strings version of Landed.)

You see, I've felt for a while that Free Coffee and TBWN are rather dull in the live versions - they're lively, but musically not very interesting - with Hiroshima they make the album sound very samey. These ones are much nicer. IMO.

you really think the live version of free coffee is less musically interesting? i think it's a lot more interesting than this album version. this version sounds like jesusland with worse chords. i like the live version's chords quite a bit, plus it has that weirdo trippy bridge.

the bitch went nuts wasn't that great originally but this one sounds like rent-a-cop, which is all i need to say. you're right about hiroshima though, that song is awfully boring. the same 4 chords from start to finish.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 17, 2008, 02:38:36 PM
remember how ben reacted when we judged his unfinished songs?  if they weren't the real songs, why would he have given a damn?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 02:44:25 PM
you really think the live version of free coffee is less musically interesting? i think it's a lot more interesting than this album version. this version sounds like jesusland with worse chords. i like the live version's chords quite a bit, plus it has that weirdo trippy bridge.
I don't know - it does sound a hell of a lot like Jesusland - even the drums start at the same point... But yes - Free Coffee (Live) is very clever - I like it, but it's very dull. Chorus, verse etc etc, all very samey. Clever, but samey.

the bitch went nuts wasn't that great originally but this one sounds like rent-a-cop, which is all i need to say.
I'm whispering through my doughnut.

Perhaps it's hope as I'm really not overly keen on some of the live tracks...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 17, 2008, 02:45:34 PM
Since we’ve got a thousand theories already, here’s mine:
The album is about public humilliation, people wanting each other to fail, right? I think that by posting what some will call a mediocre album on the internet for everyone to download before it hits stores would make the album itself do poorly. Even fans that worship Ben might not purchase the nine songs if they feel they are not worth the price. Ben would fail, and his loving fans would be the ones responsible. Isn’t that funny?

Idunno. It makes some sense to me. Either way the record will do just fine. I’ll buy it on vinyl and everything (if it comes out on vinyl, lets not start that rumor yet). And I’m not saying Ben would do this sort of prank, but he did make me and everyone at James Madison University shit our pants once.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 17, 2008, 02:47:27 PM
Also I should note that I don't think Ben Folds failing is funny unless he planned it all. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: 88kickinkeys on July 17, 2008, 02:47:34 PM
So Ben put this out there because he wants himself to fail?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 17, 2008, 02:48:20 PM
No, because we'll find out whether they're real or not by then.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 02:57:09 PM
Gotta say the fact that SFS had no b-sides (except Bitches, which ended up on SSSG anyway) was kind of sad.

wasn't Side of the Road an SFS B-side? (Also, you might be able to count the strings version of Landed.)

I always think of Side of the Road with SfG. Which is about when I came into my appreciation of Ben. So perhaps it was? And the strings version of landed was available on the dual disc version of SfS, so I don't think it fully counts.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 17, 2008, 02:58:52 PM
i hate that stupid dual disc  >:(
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Dwiggs on July 17, 2008, 03:02:07 PM
Gotta agree with the hope, misguided or not, that at least some of the new stuff we're hearing will make the album.

I LOVE Way To Normal and these versions of Cologne/YDKM/Hiroshima (I didn't even really care for the live Hirosh, but this one sounds much fuller). I love them enough that I could live with these versions of Free Coffee and The B**** Went Nuts. (I want the old Brainwashed back though...)

I might even be able to live with Dr. Yang...

There's just a lot of energy and soul in here that I haven't heard in his post-RTS solo stuff, and I'll take a pound of flawed but heartfelt over a sack of bland anyday.

Man, he should just stick everything on the album, duplicate titles and all. Make it a double if necessary. I'll even suffer The Frown Song if necessary, long as it's safely quarantined at the end...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 17, 2008, 03:03:26 PM
i hate that stupid dual disc  >:(

Why the hate?

I myself have the DVD/CD bookpackage lot thing of Silverman.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 17, 2008, 03:05:02 PM

Why the hate?

I myself have the DVD/CD bookpackage lot thing of Silverman.
i too have the dvd/cd one. which is why i hate the dual disc. i don't have Landed with strings :(
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 03:42:26 PM
Free Coffee (Live) is very clever - I like it, but it's very dull. Chorus, verse etc etc, all very samey. Clever, but samey.

... what exactly is the structure of this version, then? i'm hearing some choruses and verses there.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: SinginJen on July 17, 2008, 03:44:31 PM
I am thoroughly enjoying this entire ordeal. haha
Oh Ben.

Hey, remember the Kate lip-synching madness a few years back?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 17, 2008, 03:46:49 PM
i think this is being over analyzed. ben has his own studio, he's a relatively clever guy, and probably whipped up each of these songs in less than an hour. this is most likely a joke. i don't think there's a "concept" or "hidden meaning". i just think ben's f*cking with people.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: SinginJen on July 17, 2008, 03:53:59 PM
i just think ben's f*cking with people.

Well said!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Emerald (Sabrina) on July 17, 2008, 04:18:54 PM
Well, I just found a torrent of 6 of these songs (I don't know why I couldn't find the 9) and guffawed like an idiot for about 10 minutes straight.  These songs are most definitely Ben.  I mean, the voice is absolutely his, and you can hear where at times it edges toward genius and he has to reign it back in to stay...  well, to stay with what he was trying to do.  

1.  Download and install yourself a program like BitTorrent.  
2.  Google the obvious plus the word "torrent."  
3.  Download the torrent.  
4.  If you're asthmatic, grab your inhaler.  
5.  Listen to this little gem.  

"I wanna live in a land where there's free coffee..."  Oh, Ben.  I love it.  
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cdonovan on July 17, 2008, 04:22:40 PM
Imagine if it is real though and poor ben is looking at the board right now where a bunch of kids are writing it off as a joke!
lol if that is the case sorry dude but at least you have time to fix it!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 17, 2008, 04:34:48 PM
remember our opinions of the exit/in songs that he so quickly dismissed (in a half-joking, snarky manner)?
(i miss Brainwashed a LOT, btw)
we're all gonna buy the album (joke or not), which says a lot about ben/his fans.
hell, i'd buy the damn thing right now if only for a copy of YDKM.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cdonovan on July 17, 2008, 04:37:38 PM
I'm just kiddin around...he must have cared a little bit since he took the time to let us know we were mistaken about his mood :)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: jordmeister on July 17, 2008, 04:47:52 PM
The more I listen to this album, the more I am assured it is (mostly) a joke.  I have already changed the album name to "Far From Normal" in iTunes. :)

I guess if I turn out to be wrong... oh well.  While the lyrics are not exactly artistic, you have to admit it is a fun and interesting Ben Folds album.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Emerald (Sabrina) on July 17, 2008, 05:27:12 PM
I hope everyone's had a chance to hear these songs.  That "cat ate my sofa" blog is still up, and the songs still work.  I don't want to post anything that will get deleted.  The link has already been posted before in this thread, or get creative and Google it.  But only listen to the ones that say they're fake if you don't want a real preview of the album, because I don't think they're all fake there.  I agree with the author of the blog in his assessment of the songs, exept that I like what Ben did with Cologne lyrically. 
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 17, 2008, 07:05:46 PM
WOW. what is going on?!?!? i haven't had internet access for a few days, so i am completely confused, but i don't have time to read this entire thread. anybody want to fill me in a little? (beyond the fact that there was a leak, i kinda picked up on that)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cdonovan on July 17, 2008, 07:40:16 PM
I like the political vibes
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 17, 2008, 08:34:57 PM
"If i'm the person who you say i am" is the best part of "you don't know me"... mainly because regina's backups are so perfect there.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 10:12:13 PM
"If i'm the person who you say i am" is the best part of "you don't know me"... mainly because regina's backups are so perfect there.
I've listened to it about 15 times since last night. It's possibly the best song ever. So, Ben - if you wanted to make me excited about the new album with this leak, well done. It's such a good song!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 17, 2008, 10:34:03 PM
OK, So I've been wondering about this all since last night. Just by listening it appears to be obvious which songs are real and which aren't. ie The well produced ones are obviously real and the others might not be. People have said they're just melodramatic and very lazy lyrically, but some of them are rather good...

The Frown Song - Don't you think it's got a lot of work in it for a joke? Extra instruments, it's rather a fun track anyway... It could be a B-Side, and it's stupid lyrically and has a stupid name, but it's a good tune.
Dr Yang - I actually really like this. It's very simple (Ben, Jared, Sam and Tambo Man), and I really don't see why it should be a fake apart from the production values... But everyone else seems to hate it and say "obvious fake!" Maybe I'm missing something?

Despite what I said before, I don't think this Free Coffee and TBWN are the real ones because the live ones fit the sound of the album better. Oh, and calling a track "Free Coffee Final" is obviously trying to make people think it's real when it's not. And he has said at quite high profile shows that they are on the new album.  I'd love the live ones to be fake, partly because they seem very samey, but mostly because it would be the best joke ever by Ben.

And surely "Way To Normal" is us speaking? We've all been saying "Show me the Way To Normal", now we're saying "Is this the Way To Normal?", and we all think it's a "Long way to go"...

So this album (which I've changed to "Less than Normal" too, I like that name) watching the new songs the other night, they seem very percussiony. I would go so far to say that clever percussion is something which defined BFF and WAEA, and has been lacking a bit recently (I'm sure you can all find several hundred examples to prove me wrong). What do you think?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Emerald (Sabrina) on July 17, 2008, 10:35:19 PM
WOW. what is going on?!?!? i haven't had internet access for a few days, so i am completely confused, but i don't have time to read this entire thread. anybody want to fill me in a little? (beyond the fact that there was a leak, i kinda picked up on that)

Some new studio-produced Ben songs were found online.  There are 9 of them.  One of them is called "Free Coffee," but it is, well, a bit different from the "Free Coffee" we have come to know and love from his recent live shows.  One of them is called "The Bitch Went Nuts," but it's a special version of "The Bitch Went Nuts."  One of them is called "The Frown Song," and right now it is hurting the muscles in my face from 3 straight minutes of the opposite.  "You Don't Know Me" is good, good, good, in the more traditional "pre-leak" sense of the word.  Because they're all good, some just require a more convoluted path to arrive at that description.  

They may or may not be leaks from his new album.  The hilarity and beauty of their existence is that you get to decide for yourself what they are and what they mean and just what on God's green earth is going on.  

I highly suggest reading this whole thread.  It's almost as entertaining as the new songs.  The thread and the new songs combined have already made my week.  I've been in a serious funk lately, but for the past several hours I've been genuinely and almost annoyingly happy.  
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: perthgirl on July 17, 2008, 11:57:06 PM
WOW. what is going on?!?!? i haven't had internet access for a few days, so i am completely confused, but i don't have time to read this entire thread. anybody want to fill me in a little? (beyond the fact that there was a leak, i kinda picked up on that)

Yep, I'll second that.  I've been away without internets/minimal internets and look what happens!
Thanks for the summary Emerald..I'll be back to reaad the whole thing when I've answered my 50 gazillion emails that require my attention...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 18, 2008, 12:41:24 AM
If you really need the link with all 9 tracks. I know someone ahemthatisme that has it loaded to sendspace. just send me a message.


I think, this is already the best ben joke ever.


next question is; how will he top this?



Torrent sites are listing it as six track "Way to Normal" EP..... what we've got minus the three accepted tracks. Well. the three-maybe-not-shitting-you tracks.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mooglove on July 18, 2008, 03:13:15 AM
See fake or not, I really like them.  I sort of prefer this Free Coffee to the versions I have heard live, but like that one too - they are completely different and have their own merits.  It's just nice to be able to listen to some new stuff of Ben's that isn't recorded on a 'phone.  I like the quirk of The Frown Song and YDKM is just amazing.  My friends are also going to be relieved as I will now sing more than the "oh oh oh-oh" from Hiroshima (I tend to get into a bit of a loop) :)

Oh, and I always imagined that the title of album was taken from a line from Effington "the way to Normal, IL" (or something) - was I dreaming?

Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 18, 2008, 06:38:39 AM
well i think its fun!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 18, 2008, 07:18:25 AM
so where are these tracks, and are they worth listening to?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: maxwall on July 18, 2008, 07:27:34 AM
Remember last week or thereabouts when the "possible" songs on Wikipedia for WTN included something like "The Happy Dentist Pulling Teeth"? Perhaps the guys planted that there in order to make these seem legit...?  ??? ;D
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 18, 2008, 07:38:32 AM
...are they worth listening to?

yes, quite.



Ben Folds = The Ultimate Cheeser
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 18, 2008, 07:42:40 AM
so where do i find these mysterious new songs?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: fluid on July 18, 2008, 07:45:36 AM
In benfolds.org there is a blogspot link there go there QuoteOutOfContext.

It sounds like Ben. In that case, great way to stir up your fans Ben! If this is indeed fake, this is the best fake leak I listened to. I think.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 18, 2008, 08:18:43 AM
the owner of the blogspot got a cease and desist apparently.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: fluid on July 18, 2008, 08:42:24 AM
Glad I got it before the cease and desist. In that case, does this mean the said songs are indeed part of the album? That worries me because the only good song there is You Don't Know Me. The rest (whether they are fake or as I've read here in this forum and others as well was that Ben did a one hour studio session and leaked it as a gag) are not that good. At least melody-wise they are Ben-ish. But enough of that.

What does this cease and desist say? Is it because of the YDKM, the only legit sounding song in it?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: nulambhbk on July 18, 2008, 08:50:45 AM
Just listened to Hiroshima for the first time.  Does anyone else realize that the tune of the chords in the chorus are identical to those in "No One" by Alicia Keys?  It's all I can hear.  Worst!

BTW, none of these tracks are "fake".  It's just questionable whether or not any of them--even the ones people are calling "real"--are actually intended for the album.

Cologne, Hiroshima, and You Don't Know Me definitely stand out, but none of them sound like they have finished mastering.

My guess is we have a mix of "joke" recordings and nearly finished mixes  that we'll hear in their final form when the album comes out in September.

Very exciting!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 18, 2008, 09:17:30 AM
Remember last week or thereabouts when the "possible" songs on Wikipedia for WTN included something like "The Happy Dentist Pulling Teeth"? Perhaps the guys planted that there in order to make these seem legit...?  ??? ;D

nah. that was a bunch of people from the dot org messin' around.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 18, 2008, 09:32:40 AM
What does this cease and desist say? Is it because of the YDKM, the only legit sounding song in it?
Even if Ben did leak it, it's possible Sony would send a cease and desist anyway, because record labels rarely care what the artist thinks.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 18, 2008, 09:35:17 AM
Just listened to Hiroshima for the first time.  Does anyone else realize that the tune of the chords in the chorus are identical to those in "No One" by Alicia Keys?  It's all I can hear.  Worst!

That is a slight variation on one of the most common chord progressions... like, ever (I-V-vi-IV).  I can assure you that AK didn't make it up, either.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: nulambhbk on July 18, 2008, 09:37:34 AM
Of course, you are correct.  I think it's just something about the singing/audience participation in the chorus that adds to the similarity.  I just can't help but hear that stupid song in my head.  Needless to say, it's not a pleasant thing!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 18, 2008, 09:52:50 AM
even if this is completely fake, or if it's just a gag from ben and the guys,  i gotta say i love the cover
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 18, 2008, 10:19:31 AM
Maybe someone recorded Ben's voice and then used a program to make his own voice sound like Ben's (like in Mission: Impossible 3) and then made up dumb songs and sang them and then recorded the instruments or made them on a computer and then put them together and then put the tracks on the web.  :D
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 18, 2008, 10:25:30 AM
you'd think if they went to all that trouble they'd at least use the melodies that everybody is used to...free coffee and brainswascht were extremely different from the live versions he did
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 18, 2008, 10:27:05 AM
Maybe someone recorded Ben's voice and then used a program to make his own voice sound like Ben's (like in Mission: Impossible 3) and then made up dumb songs and sang them and then recorded the instruments or made them on a computer and then put them together and then put the tracks on the web.  :D

a likely possibility.   :P
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 18, 2008, 11:07:29 AM
Dr Yang - I actually really like this. It's very simple (Ben, Jared, Sam and Tambo Man), and I really don't see why it should be a fake apart from the production values... But everyone else seems to hate it and say "obvious fake!" Maybe I'm missing something?
it's got no hook, it's boring, theres no fancy piano work or vocal work... it's a sh*tty song...

PS- they'd give a cease and desist no matter what because you don't know me is real
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Drawed on July 18, 2008, 11:10:26 AM
Maybe someone recorded Ben's voice and then used a program to make his own voice sound like Ben's (like in Mission: Impossible 3) and then made up dumb songs and sang them and then recorded the instruments or made them on a computer and then put them together and then put the tracks on the web.  :D

a likely possibility.   :P


i thought we were a little bit short on conspiracy theories and... i don't know, it just came to me!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: SinginJen on July 18, 2008, 11:11:58 AM
"The Frown Song" is so hilarious.

"Amen to love."
So hilarious.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 18, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
This keeps getting more and more ridiculous.

And what a perfect way to get the pot simmering.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kyle on July 18, 2008, 11:42:17 AM
I haven't listened to the songs yet, but it could just be a leak of early unfinished songs.  When I was running bffclubhouse.com, I had a legit prerelease version of TUBORM that wasn't finished, had a different track order, and wasn't fully mastered.  Sounds were missing and some other processing was missing that was in the final version.  This could be a CD for some executive at the label that is 8 months old or something.  Just early versions with unfinished writing.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 18, 2008, 11:46:11 AM
well a friend of mel and mines on last.fm said this about what happened to her brother in the business
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he got an unmarked cd from epic telling him to share this "fake" leak with people. he's convinced it's fake & that the new songs he's playing at his shows are to confuse us, but i think folds is goofing on us and that these may be some of the new songs...i'm impressed so far!

What a great move, no matter what, by Mr. Folds. Far better than my other BF's moves recently. So much that I'm almost willing to unclaim him. Ugh. Mr. Favre. WHY?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: speedy_the_drummer on July 18, 2008, 12:00:48 PM
When I was running bffclubhouse.com, I had a legit prerelease version of TUBORM that wasn't finished, had a different track order, and wasn't fully mastered.  Sounds were missing and some other processing was missing that was in the final version.

do you still have that?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 18, 2008, 12:04:29 PM
Kyle! An honour to have you back!

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kyle on July 18, 2008, 12:08:51 PM
It is still in the family, but I gave it to my Dad years ago because he's a big fan too.  It's pretty neat, but it is a near final version.  There was also a version of RTS that was leaked that was mixed differently and didn't have some of the stool creaks and cricks in it (especially in The Luckiest).
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kyle on July 18, 2008, 12:09:32 PM
Kyle! An honour to have you back!

~A

Thanks, but I never left!  I still visit regularly, just not much posting.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 18, 2008, 12:27:25 PM
You, Kyle, sir, do you want posting access to wokeup? I'm sure you have a landmine of goodies.

Just a thought about this whole thing- the first we heard of Cologne was that it was "recently finished" and for this "DVD" what if this DVD that they're talking about, and Eef even knew about it, not much, but he knew it was happening.... is all some big joke fake-music thing? I mean, we just assumed that Cologne was on the next album cause it was the next new one we heard about.... but a video for that song? When he's been talking about a Hiroshima video at shows since February?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Nudist on July 18, 2008, 01:02:47 PM
I'll kill Ben if he doesn't include Errant Dog and Effington on this album.

If it's what we were expecting (those songs, plus a few new ones, plus originals of Brainwashed, Bitch Went Nuts, Hiroshima, etc.), then it will be some of Ben's best work yet.  If it's anything like this leak, we're f*cked.

I need this to be clarified soon because I'm nervous  :-\
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 18, 2008, 01:04:51 PM
read back what you just wrote alison and consider the reality of it. that would be a f*cking lot of effort just for a 'joke'

and all you saying he wacked up these tracks in half an hour, uh uh. :o they'd take much longer than that to record (hours and hours), and then there's the matter of writing the melody, lyrics, some structure, harmony etc. you can't just shit them out (and especially ben considering the lack of SFS b sides and struggle to write original music for OTH)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 18, 2008, 01:09:41 PM
yeah, but you've gotta consider the RtS b-sides when you say that.  he did all of those in a few days.  it's not like Ben doesn't know his way around the studio and he's got plenty of capable men working with him.  they could easily shit this out in no time, imo.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 18, 2008, 01:33:38 PM
off topic, but... where can i get (at least a list but preferable the actual) RTS b-sides? I have hiro's song but what else is there?  :)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Michal on July 18, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
There's Hiro's Song, One Down, The Secret Life Of Morgan Davis, Make Me Mommy, and Girl. I believe that's all of them. Hiro's song is from the japanese release of RtS while the rest are from the 2 RtS singles.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mattfoxesq on July 18, 2008, 02:46:39 PM
This is getting out of hand indeed....has no one seen THIS yet?

http://bsfolds.livejournal.com/621.html
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 18, 2008, 03:02:15 PM
Yeah. I saw that. Along side partner org project: http://acelze.googlepages.com/benwatch

funny for a minute.... and then not. my favorite part tho is the sledge bit.

or how's this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Way_to_Normal

or check the comments on: http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2008/07/ben-folds-talks-new-album-and-release-date.html



yeah, but you've gotta consider the RtS b-sides when you say that.  he did all of those in a few days.  it's not like Ben doesn't know his way around the studio and he's got plenty of capable men working with him.  they could easily shit this out in no time, imo.
In no time? Who knows? They've been working on this album since last fall. FALL. It'll have been a year. These could just be the things they were shitting around with in the studio. I mean. come on. Yeah, cleaner than Fannie Packs... but they still had that on NBP.

Quit f*ckin around, I wanna rock!

Ben claims to have a new song in his head every day. If that's true this is no problem for him. And he seems to have been flowing with creative juices recently, what with being okay with Rock this Bitch all over again.  And back in November of 2006 Lindz was talking about that they'd done demos already. So in my opinion this album's been in the brains for nearly two years. And when you own your own damn studio - why the hell not?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 18, 2008, 03:19:54 PM
read back what you just wrote alison and consider the reality of it. that would be a f*cking lot of effort just for a 'joke'

and all you saying he wacked up these tracks in half an hour, uh uh. :o they'd take much longer than that to record (hours and hours), and then there's the matter of writing the melody, lyrics, some structure, harmony etc. you can't just shit them out (and especially ben considering the lack of SFS b sides and struggle to write original music for OTH)

but even if you don't think it's possible, just look at it this way--
paste magazine said free coffee has the altoids.  our free coffee doesn't have them.  paste has heard the album.  who wins? shady recording or paste magazine?  not to mention, this leak came from a shady post on a shady forum.  not all that convincing.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ccrider on July 18, 2008, 04:02:49 PM
i think this is being over analyzed. ben has his own studio, he's a relatively clever guy, and probably whipped up each of these songs in less than an hour. this is most likely a joke. i don't think there's a "concept" or "hidden meaning". i just think ben's f*cking with people.

I agree!  I just listened to the whole thing--parts of it made me laugh out loud!  I definitely think it's Ben with way too much time on his hands.

You Don't Know Me is great, though!  I, too, thought it was probably the single, until I heard "Why the f*ck would you want me back?"
(did you notice he works "errant dog" into these lyrics, and the whole question of why she would want him back?)

I guess this is why I like Ben Folds, although sometimes I wish he would quit trying to be a novelty act...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kyle on July 18, 2008, 05:58:19 PM
I listened to all of it.  I think it is a mix of unfinished songs, b-sides, and a few fake songs and I like them more than Silverman.  So much more fun.  The Jimmy Carter line is hilarious.  It's not the final versions of any of the songs.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Boz on July 19, 2008, 03:49:40 AM
I'm confused as to why some people are writing off Cologne as possibly part of this big joke idea.  I was at Ben's studio filming a music video for this song exactly as it sounds for 8 hours.  Ben, Sam, Jared, and Tambo-man were there, as well as a full filming crew.  For this reason i would be willing to bet this song has as good of a chance of being on the "real new album" as You Don't Know Me.

And here is a little tidbit for what its worth...

While Jared was training us how to lipsync to the song in the studio Sam came in and started taking pictures/filming (earlier youtube post in this thread).  We listened to the entire song and then Sam started laughing.  He looked at Jared and said, "It made it in!" Jared was unsure what Sam was talking about, so Sam said, "The 'F*ck You'!".  And they shared a smile.

I've listened for it many times now and I am still unsure but I think if you listen to the very end of Cologne on the very last "Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" you can hear someone say, "F*ck You".  I've tried turning up the song very loud to hear it, but actually I think it might be more clear if you turn it down and just keep you ear close to the speaker.

Can anyone else hear this?  Am I only hearing it because I want to believe its there?  Let me know!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 19, 2008, 04:23:49 AM
I've listened for it many times now and I am still unsure but I think if you listen to the very end of Cologne on the very last "Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" you can hear someone say, "F*ck You".  I've tried turning up the song very loud to hear it, but actually I think it might be more clear if you turn it down and just keep you ear close to the speaker.
Yes, it's there at 5:42. Sounds like Ben.

If you wear headphones and turn on Vocal Booster in iTunes, it's quite noticeable.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Luke8400 on July 19, 2008, 05:38:00 AM
I was without Internet for a few days (why does so much always happen on the Internet when I'm without it?!), but I found a link so I gave this a listen.

"Bitch Went Nuts" might trump "Inner City Pressure" (Flight of the Conchords) as the comedy track of the year.  I'm tempted to title this album Bullshit from the Internet.

"Cologne" is the real thing, or at least, the same thing we heard at Ben's studio.  You know what gets me though?  How is it over 6 minutes?  When we were filming, it seemed like 2 or 3!  I can't find what was cut, if anything, so maybe I just have a poor concept of time.

As a legit album, obviously it sucks, but that's not what it is.  For a fake album, it's genius.  He's essentially Banksy'd his own work.  It feels like a .org joke; maybe this is Ben's way of saying he gets it.  It's definitely a clever jab at the Internet.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 19, 2008, 09:39:25 AM
I'm confused as to why some people are writing off Cologne as possibly part of this big joke idea.  I was at Ben's studio filming a music video for this song exactly as it sounds for 8 hours.  Ben, Sam, Jared, Tambo-man were there, as well as a full filming crew.  For this reason i would be willing to bet this song has as good of a chance of being on the "real new album" as You Don't Know Me.

And here is a a little tidbit for what its worth...

While Jared was training us how to lipsync to the song in the studio Sam came in and started taking pictures/filming (earlier youtube post in this thread).  We listened to the entire song and then Sam started laughing.  He looked at Jared and said, "It made it in!" Jared was unsure what Sam was talking about, so Sam said, "The 'F*ck You'!".  And they shared a smile.

I've listened for it many times now and I am still unsure but I think if you listen to the very end of Cologne on the very last "Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" you can hear someone say, "F*ck You".  I've tried turning up the song very loud to hear it, but actually I think it might be more clear if you turn it down and just keep you ear close to the speaker.

Can anyone else hear this?  Am I only hearing it because I want to believe its there?  Let me know!

Oh I was just stirring the pot for more conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 19, 2008, 09:48:51 AM
Oh I was just stirring the pot for more conspiracy theories.

These are all absolutely 100% the album. As I understand it the reason that these songs sound so different is that Sam is actually now in charge of the band. He found some compromising photos of Ben and Jared, and is using the power of blackmail to get Ben to publicly deride himself. Eventually, the label will get fed up and cut Ben loose, whereupon Sam intends to disolve the band and step in to a lucrative solo contract.

Just look at him on stage. He'd got explosives in the front-stage monitors to make sure Ben & Jared keep smiling and playing...

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 19, 2008, 10:57:05 AM
^ Best conspiracy theory yet.

Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 19, 2008, 11:32:27 AM
ahhh this whole thing is so confusing!!!

i d/l'd a 6 track thing from pirate bay which  is titled "way to normal" but when you open it in itunes, the album title is "doublin' "
it also features 'long way'

sorry if this has been already posted, i've just read this whole topic and .org's topic and can't remember if its been posted!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 19, 2008, 11:42:05 AM
read back what you just wrote alison and consider the reality of it. that would be a f*cking lot of effort just for a 'joke'

and all you saying he wacked up these tracks in half an hour, uh uh. :o they'd take much longer than that to record (hours and hours), and then there's the matter of writing the melody, lyrics, some structure, harmony etc. you can't just shit them out (and especially ben considering the lack of SFS b sides and struggle to write original music for OTH)

It isn't just a joke though. It's also a brilliant piece of marketing. When the story actually breaks, be that when the truth about it comes out it'll be in the music press and all over the file-sharing communities. I'm not saying Ben did this to sell more albums, I'm saying Ben could have convinced the record company to pay for another week or so of studio time for the publicity it'll bring.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: jordmeister on July 19, 2008, 11:49:00 AM
I agree.  I think Ben is pulling a Radiohead.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: maxwall on July 19, 2008, 12:06:06 PM
I think I had an epiphany. 3 "album" tracks, 6 'fakes". Typically, a CD-single has 2 b-sides. We know Hiroshima is the first single. YDKM has got to be one. I think Cologne will be, too. Therefore, maybe the "leak" is the 3 singles along with their 6 b-sides....

Possible?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: PAUL LLEWELLYN on July 19, 2008, 12:31:43 PM
The track 03 Long way that has been found over at Piratebay is just the end of Way to Normal from the 9 track "leak".
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 19, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
Agreed with Deano.

Furthermore I'm just glad i've got some ben to enjoy, I think the man's a genius. This one I think is ironically for the fans and his internet community to make us all smile.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: BenFTW on July 19, 2008, 01:33:24 PM
Hello Forum.

I like these tracks. Does that make me a lamer?

If this isn't a joke album then i will feel totally embarassed for you all.

On the other hand, we all know that Ben is capable of this.

This certainly has Ben confused. I totally want this album to be a fake leak. Not because it's bad in any way but because i <3 Ben.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 8)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 19, 2008, 01:37:30 PM
off topic, but... where can i get (at least a list but preferable the actual) RTS b-sides? I have hiro's song but what else is there?  :)

the RtS b-sides can be found on www.wokeupwaytoolate.com in the audio archive.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 19, 2008, 01:37:42 PM
If it is completley for marketing purposes then it's a bit of a wierd time to be doing it. Shouldn't he have done it when he had tour tickets to sell?
two months before the album is due is a bit  far out?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 19, 2008, 01:42:38 PM
he should be releasing US tour dates soon.  i would hope, anyway.
btw, kweller said his cd's postponed to either january or february '09.  which, placing Folds back in the UK for march, like he said, could mean a possible bens reunion???  just sayin'...  perhaps i'm just extremely hopeful.  not even sure why as i obviously don't live on that side of the pond.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 19, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
maybe u should come visit us mel!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 19, 2008, 01:54:59 PM
If it is completley for marketing purposes then it's a bit of a wierd time to be doing it. Shouldn't he have done it when he had tour tickets to sell?
two months before the album is due is a bit  far out?

Nah, seems about right. It's in the right timescale for most album leaks so seems more legit. Plus it needs time to build up speed. I honestly think this will be a big story when the press get hold of it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 19, 2008, 02:05:27 PM
make note that "fuzak" from his myspace was probably recorded in the same sessions as the crap songs
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 19, 2008, 02:14:33 PM
This leak had to hit the internet before any 'genuine' leak.
The record company would be behind it, because it'll act as an excellent decoy...

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 19, 2008, 02:18:44 PM
maybe u should come visit us mel!

believe me, if there's a bens reunion only happening in the uk, i will get there.  no questions asked.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 19, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
This leak had to hit the internet before any 'genuine' leak.
The record company would be behind it, because it'll act as an excellent decoy...

~A

good point
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 19, 2008, 04:40:07 PM
on the cease and desist the record label specifically asked to call them... is that normal?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kelbry21999 on July 19, 2008, 05:55:53 PM
anyone wanna post these to sendspace or direct me to a torrent?
I can only find the 9 track... pm me plz
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Allison on July 19, 2008, 07:25:26 PM
9 track is all we've got.

on the cease and desist the record label specifically asked to call them... is that normal?

And I vote you call. Just because I would like answers.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: midnightphoenix on July 19, 2008, 09:09:56 PM
can someone send them to my email? tylorwalls[at]gmail[dot]com
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 19, 2008, 11:25:01 PM
Got damn, even Kyle came out of the woodwork on this shit.

I need to have those tracks (benfolio at gmail).

f*cking Ben, being all sneaky and shit.

And if it is just unfinished songs/Ben screwing around, then I'd love to hear them, anything Ben is a keeper in my book.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kelbry21999 on July 20, 2008, 04:46:37 AM
anyone wanna post these to sendspace or direct me to a torrent?
I can only find the 9 track... pm me plz

woops i meant i can only find the 6
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 20, 2008, 05:04:12 AM
^ me too
although i'm not sure i want to hear the other one  ???
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Brian Golley on July 20, 2008, 07:40:57 AM
Geez, did I miss the boat or what. If anyone wants to email me the tracks I would much appreciate it.

Tim (the guy who is never going a weekend without checking into the burbs again).
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: marstonfox on July 20, 2008, 11:57:55 AM
Have to add a "Ditto" to the request for the additional three tracks. You go away for a little while and it all kicks off :)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: DrAlexHaleIII on July 20, 2008, 12:42:34 PM
I got back from France, having slept for but 4 hours, to find this mammothic thread and promptly got in touch with a certain Weinerific friend of mine for the full story. I'm currently making my way through the tracks (I know I said I wouldn't somewhere before but this is so intriguing I don't really have any choice...) and I agree that certain numbers feel more legitimate than others. I don't think this is the finished outfit by any means - someone is most definitely pulling our legs. I'm not saying that I HOPE that it's a joke (though I do, as that would obviously mean more Ben, and I will still listen to these tracks as much as the actual album) but I do think that it probably is. The most striking thing in my opinion is the fact that there are only 9 tracks and we were discussing just the other week how 9 Ben tracks wouldn't be enough. If this really is a joke for our benefit, Ben has been very observant...

I've seen three of these songs live (if we're counting "Effington" and "Way to Normal" as the same... Which I don't think we are, but I don't know): "Free Coffee", "Way to Normal" and "Hiroshima" and I think that:

- "Free Coffee" sounds nothing like the live version I saw. Granted, having only listened to it once live, I don't remember that much, but some of the lyrics I picked up on very much in the live song are completely absent from the recorded version and the instrumentation is obviously different.

- "Hiroshima" is a genuine recording of the song I saw live.

- "Way to Normal" doesn't really feel like Effington to me... Plus, Ben is really obsessed with that whole "If there's a God he's laughing at us and our football team" lyric.

In conclusion... I don't know. Maybe some of these are real, maybe not. I don't think all of them are. Maybe one or two. I even have some doubts about the ones that have been generally accepted as genuine, though...

I'm sure we'll see a real tracklist eventually and maybe that will confirm or deny the validity of what we have here, as will the professional reviews and so on. It's all very confusing and I can't see us working much else out without word from the man himself, or at least someone in the know...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 20, 2008, 01:22:01 PM
thats true - if its released in September then it will already have been mailed to the press, (any one know any journo's?!)
its only a matter of time before the real (or confirmed) tracklisting appears on the net
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: DrAlexHaleIII on July 20, 2008, 02:00:58 PM
Also, one final thought, but Ben songs don't usually tag as "feat. (artist)" (although I do seem to remember seeing "Get your hands off of my woman" labelled as "Ben Folds & Corn Mo" or something of the sort before). Perhaps that's just me, but I've never seen "Fred Jones, Part II (feat. John McCrea)" and I don't even really recall the Fear of Pop-Shatner stuff being labelled as such...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mullet_no_moustache on July 20, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
Also, one final thought, but Ben songs don't usually tag as "feat. (artist)" (although I do seem to remember seeing "Get your hands off of my woman" labelled as "Ben Folds & Corn Mo" or something of the sort before). Perhaps that's just me, but I've never seen "Fred Jones, Part II (feat. John McCrea)" and I don't even really recall the Fear of Pop-Shatner stuff being labelled as such...

Alex, i'm guessing that you are reffering to 'You Don't Know Me'? In the original version I downloaded it is just tagged as Ben Folds.  Maybe whoever uploaded the version you have added the tag??
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 20, 2008, 02:17:04 PM
Also, one final thought, but Ben songs don't usually tag as "feat. (artist)" (although I do seem to remember seeing "Get your hands off of my woman" labelled as "Ben Folds & Corn Mo" or something of the sort before). Perhaps that's just me, but I've never seen "Fred Jones, Part II (feat. John McCrea)" and I don't even really recall the Fear of Pop-Shatner stuff being labelled as such...

Alex, i'm guessing that you are reffering to 'You Don't Know Me'? In the original version I downloaded it is just tagged as Ben Folds.  Maybe whoever uploaded the version you have added the tag??
mine has the title as "You Don't Know Me (feat Regina Spektor)"

also, i really wish there was some official word on what this stuff is. :-\
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mullet_no_moustache on July 20, 2008, 02:25:08 PM
It is very confusing.

For those of you who have the tracks, live versions of Effington / Way to Normal?, BitchWentNuts and Free Coffee are all available at www.fishyrecordings.com/benfolds/2008.03.02_-_Iowa_City,_IA/
These live versions all sound the same as those Ben is currently performing live and nothing like the 3 tracks that have been leaked.  Hiroshima however sounds identical
Listen for yourselves......
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Eric on July 20, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
i have the 9-track one, but any chance someone can send me the track "Long Way" from the 6-track EP thing? i understand it's the end of Cologne, but i'd still like to have it so i can have the "EP".

EricTheDerek[at]aol[dot]com

thanks
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 20, 2008, 02:42:01 PM
I don't even think Hiroshima is legit, I think we'll get a more studio-style recording without the weird stuff at the start and end. Maybe even the same with the other 'legit' ones - same songs but different takes.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 20, 2008, 03:07:10 PM
Finally getting a listen...... You Don't know me sounds right, I can see it being album worthy... Brainwascht? I dunno.... Why is this not the Brainwashed we know and love?

It's still Ben and he is God so he can do no wrong. HEH, shit pies.

I'll have to give Cologne another listen..... Free Coffee has to be a joke, or somehting.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mullet_no_moustache on July 20, 2008, 03:38:11 PM
I don't even think Hiroshima is legit, I think we'll get a more studio-style recording without the weird stuff at the start and end. Maybe even the same with the other 'legit' ones - same songs but different takes.

Ben recorded audience noise for the album release of Hiroshima at recent concerts so it would sound like a live track.  Even though it sounds a bit starnge I'm pretty sure this is pretty close to the version that will be released.
Here's a recording of it:
http://www.fishyrecordings.com/benfolds/2008.03.02_-_Iowa_City,_IA/Ben%20Folds%20-%202008.03.02%20-%2004%20-%20Recording%20for%20Hiroshima.mp3
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Luke8400 on July 20, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
Honestly...why are we still debating this?

Brainwascht, Free Coffee, Bitch Went Nuts, Way to Normal (which doesn't seem to be related to Effington at all except for the title)...all 100% jokes.  There's no question about most of these, the lyrics are terrible.  Bitch Went Nuts is the best of the fakes.

Dr Yang, not sure about.  The Frown Song is b-side material, if that.  It sounds like wankery to me though.  Cologne, You Don't Know Me, and probably Hiroshima are legit.  But that's it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ransim on July 20, 2008, 07:04:34 PM
Hey, I'm new here and I wanted to say on the mysterious new songs, specifically "Cologne", that this is the real deal. I was lucky enough to be in Ben's music video of this song which was shot in his studio in Nashville in June and this is the song we did for his new video.
I am in the background choir. You can see me in the very short video clip on Jared's myspace website as we rehearse the video. I'm the guy with the longest hair.
Also, I took some photos between shoots... here is my link:

http://web.mac.com/randysimmons/iWeb/Site/Ben%20Folds%20Video%20Shoot.html
or try:

ttp://web.mac.com/randysimmons/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html
Enjoy!
Thanks.
PS I should point out that we had an absolute blast working with Ben, Jared and Sam and the video crew.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 20, 2008, 10:26:48 PM
Awesome. I do like the song.
Awesome pictures, looks like it was an awesome time.

I'm awesomely tired so I'm off to bed.

Awesome.

Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: DrAlexHaleIII on July 21, 2008, 12:23:42 AM
Thought about Cologne: the people who were at the studio for the video... didn't someone say they'd only just finished that song? I recall that a few of us were intrigued as how they were STILL working on album tracks that late...  Could that be part of the prank - making a video for one of the songs that they had recorded as a joke, to make us think this link was more legit?

That said, Cologne is clearly one of the best songs we have here...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 21, 2008, 12:41:30 AM
I thought the reg spec track is legit but the rest we'll get other versions/songs altogether.

There stuck my neck out, now lets just watch this space!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cassandra on July 21, 2008, 07:21:36 AM
i liked all of the so-called joke versions of the songs more than the boots i have heard.

the joking manner of the lyrics is better than some of the other stuff he's penned...

that being said, i enjoyed you don't know me, cologne isn't appealing to me in any way, and i always thought he was joking about crowd noise in hiroshima, because that is potentially one of the most cheesy things to put in a song.



also, free coffee final rules
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 21, 2008, 07:29:28 AM
I don't think anyone posted this yet, since it just happened ten minutes ago, but Ben Folds' Myspace posted this bulletin at 11:18:

And I quote....

LONG AWAITED FOLLOW UP TO SONGS FOR SILVERMAN FEATURES RAUCOUS TRACKS, TRADEMARK HUMOR

Epic Records is proud to announce the release of the much-anticipated new album from Ben Folds, WAY TO NORMAL, on September 30, 2008. The album, Folds' third as a solo artist since the break up of the Ben Folds Five in 2000, was mostly recorded at his studio in Nashville and produced by Dennis Herring (Elvis Costello, Modest Mouse, The Hives). Featuring Folds on vocals and piano, Way to Normal also features long-time bassist Jared Reynolds and drummer Sam Smith as well as a guest vocal from indie pop heroine Regina Spektor on the album's first single, "You Don't Know Me.
"

Way to Normal is an exuberant, raucous, and sometimes profane mix of sure-fire crowd-pleasers ("Hiroshima," "Bitch Went Nuts," and the frenetically fuzzed-out "Dr. Yang"), cheerful snark-fests ("The Frown Song," "Brainwascht"), and thoughtful, moving ballads ("Cologne," "Kylie From Connecticut") that Folds wrote at the end of 2007 following the finalization of a two-year divorce.


But it should not be assumed that Way to Normal is Folds' version of Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear or Bob Dylan's Blood on the Tracks (though Folds says that in the early stages of recording he came close to calling the album "Blood on the Keyboard").


"The songs are not topical," Folds says. "I was not interested in making a record about the D-word. I got all that stuff out of my system on the last record [2005's pensive Songs for Silverman], which was deliberately stoic. This new album is really about me being free, which is why it feels cathartic and expressive. It's about me coming back to being myself." (Hence the title.) "I came out of the courthouse, kissed the ground, and walked straight into the studio. I felt like a bottle of champagne that had been shaken for 18 months and popped open in the studio. That's why this record has so much energy.
"

...

Ben Folds has been performing at many summer festivals this year, and will continue to tour worldwide in support of Way To Normal throughout the fall and into 2009.



Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 21, 2008, 07:39:21 AM
"I came out of the courthouse, kissed the ground, and walked straight into the studio. I felt like a bottle of champagne that had been shaken for 18 months and popped open in the studio. That's why this record has so much energy."

Wow. Take THAT Frally. Jesus.

Um, that still doesn't mean that these tracks are the FINAL recordings.

And Kylie, CONFIRMED!!  :o
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 21, 2008, 07:40:21 AM
Wait, wait, wait..... You Don't Know me is the single??????????
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 21, 2008, 07:43:30 AM
any chance THAT is a joke too?? I'm not sure. It's on the .com too.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 21, 2008, 07:45:32 AM
If it is a joke, they're going all out for it.

If not, then damn.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greggraham on July 21, 2008, 07:56:32 AM
As I said in the other thread, this to me is more confirmation that (as i've been saying) the leaked songs are probably legit. They even spelt Brainwascht the same and stuff. Hmm, we'll see i guess. It makes more sense that Ben kept playing early demo's live up till recently and rewrote them for the album than composing new songs just for a fake leak. Doesn't it?!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: clarkey on July 21, 2008, 08:28:52 AM
I was hoping that everything but 'You Don't Know Me', 'Cologne' and 'Hiroshima' from the leak were a joke - I much preferred the bootleg versions to the leak of the other songs. Not sure what, if anything, this bulletin changes.

Bring on September...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 21, 2008, 09:24:07 AM
I hope Ben answers my e-mail, clearing this all up.


He never answers.  :'(
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ccrider on July 21, 2008, 09:35:59 AM
Bitch Went Nuts is the best of the fakes.
I agree with this--both that it's a fake, and that it's the best of them.  The lyrics are so f**cking funny, and so clearly a put-on that I will be very, very surprised if this is the one on the album. 

For a joke, it's brilliant, for an album track--stupid...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: DrAlexHaleIII on July 21, 2008, 09:43:27 AM
Bitch Went Nuts is the best of the fakes.
I agree with this--both that it's a fake, and that it's the best of them.  The lyrics are so f**cking funny, and so clearly a put-on that I will be very, very surprised if this is the one on the album. 

For a joke, it's brilliant, for an album track--stupid...


There's a lyric in there that I read as a clue - "Bullshit from the internet".
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Luke8400 on July 21, 2008, 10:02:21 AM
I agree with this--both that it's a fake, and that it's the best of them.  The lyrics are so f**cking funny, and so clearly a put-on that I will be very, very surprised if this is the one on the album. 

For a joke, it's brilliant, for an album track--stupid...

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I dunno.  I might like this fake one more than the "real" Bitch Went Nuts.  It's a funny little character sketch, and we haven't gotten many of those lately.  It's probably more interesting to me than the "real" first-person song, even though we know Ben's basketball wasn't really stabbed by anybody.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ccrider on July 21, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
I agree with this--both that it's a fake, and that it's the best of them.  The lyrics are so f**cking funny, and so clearly a put-on that I will be very, very surprised if this is the one on the album. 

For a joke, it's brilliant, for an album track--stupid...


I dunno.  I might like this fake one more than the "real" Bitch Went Nuts.  It's a funny little character sketch, and we haven't gotten many of those lately.  It's probably more interesting to me than the "real" first-person song, even though we know Ben's basketball wasn't really stabbed by anybody.

The whole corporate, beemer, wanting-to-be-a-partner thing just seems so unlikely, although we're talking Ben Folds here, so who knows! ::)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 21, 2008, 10:20:45 AM

Quote

The whole corporate, beemer, wanting-to-be-a-partner thing just seems so unlikely, although we're talking Ben Folds here, so who knows! ::)

But the cocaine thing IS likely?  ;D
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ccrider on July 21, 2008, 10:32:28 AM

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The whole corporate, beemer, wanting-to-be-a-partner thing just seems so unlikely, although we're talking Ben Folds here, so who knows! ::)

But the cocaine thing IS likely?  ;D

No, I don't know about the cocaine angle, it just seems funny for him to write a real song about giving a shit about being a partner somewhere, but like I said, we're talking Ben Folds here, and stranger things have happened!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 21, 2008, 10:34:26 AM
Maybe I missed something - just because Ben sings in the first person doesn't mean it's based on fact. "My Name is Hiro I am 52" didn't make me suddenly rewrite the biography page.

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 21, 2008, 10:39:35 AM
yeah. and ben's a big randy newman fan, who sort of pioneered the "unreliable narrator" song.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ccrider on July 21, 2008, 10:42:32 AM
While we're talking about the realness or "fakeness" of The Bitch Went Nuts, can I just add this quote from the Paste magazine article:

"The cheeky irreverence that’s become Folds’ trademark is still on full display in tunes like “Bitch Went Nuts,” which tells the fictional story of a relationship that went south after the narrator’s lover goes psycho and stabs his basketball. According to Folds, the song is a comment on the male perspective. “If you ask loads of women what went wrong in a relationship, they’re going to give you a variety of answers. But you ask men, especially at a bar somewhere, and they’re gonna go, ‘Uh, bitch went nuts!’”"...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 21, 2008, 10:43:59 AM
even though we know Ben's basketball wasn't really stabbed by anybody.
Perhaps he's getting bored of people saying "is it about your divorce" so he rewrote it.

(Yes, I think it's fake, but it's possible. And I do like the lyrics.)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 21, 2008, 10:48:15 AM
got the call from sony. nothing really out of the ordinary. i just confirmed that i complied with their request, and that was about it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 21, 2008, 10:52:20 AM
So this thought just came in my head: Does Ben record demos?
People have been saying Ben wouldn't go through the trouble of recording bad versions of his songs or "fake songs" altogether, but what if they're just well done demos?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kyle on July 21, 2008, 11:01:23 AM
Well, I've listened through it a lot now and I really like a number of the songs.

Good: The Bitch Went Nuts, Dr. Yang, Free Coffee (i like this version a lot, never liked the other one much), Hiroshima (maybe with a little less talking at the end/cut the fake live crowd.. the song always has needed a better finish), You Don't Know Me

Mixed: Cologne, Way To Normal/Long Way To Go

Dislike:The Frown Song, Brainwascht (such lazy top 40 pop crap, I love the "real" version he played live though)

Missing: Errant Dog, Kylie From Connecticut

I think these songs are leaks of early previews, possibly for the record company.  Some are finished (Dr. Yang), and some may be fake if he had to fill a quota for some deadline so some songs are quick rips (Brainwascht?). He's said he's been done with the album at a number of different points, but was still working on it.  I guess we will know soon enough.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 21, 2008, 11:48:05 AM
So this thought just came in my head: Does Ben record demos?
People have been saying Ben wouldn't go through the trouble of recording bad versions of his songs or "fake songs" altogether, but what if they're just well done demos?

thats what i think - or early versions of songs he took to the band / record company. i don't think he has got anything to do with the leak.
thats my tuppence worth!

x
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Luke8400 on July 21, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
But demos usually sound a little something like the finished result.  Most of these don't.  Songs like Free Coffee sound like he made up a song to go with the title, rather than the other way around.  It's an obvious fake.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 21, 2008, 12:32:22 PM
im sticking to my guns with my opinions. come on sept.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Michal on July 21, 2008, 01:12:12 PM
But demos usually sound a little something like the finished result.  Most of these don't.  Songs like Free Coffee sound like he made up a song to go with the title, rather than the other way around.  It's an obvious fake.

I think some people are taking this way too seriously. Some of you are acting like if we don't know the truth about these tracks in the next 24 hours, the world will explode and life will end as we know it. Honestly: get a breath of fresh air. I'm sure that eventually something will come up and we'll finally know what these tracks really are or aren't. If it takes until September 30th, then so be it.

I hate it how some of you are just so completely convinced that these tracks are fake, as if Ben had told you himself. If these do turn out to be the real deal (or close to it), then I feel bad for all of you who are 104.2% sure that these tracks are almost complete bullsh*t because you're going to be way disappointed. And, I mean, so what if these are the real deal? Songs For Silverman was a more laid back and serious album and it's only natural that Ben's follow-up album be something completely different. And let's face it: no matter how ridiculous some of these tracks are, they're funny as hell which I definitely think is a plus. I, personally, enjoy music that makes me laugh.

So seriously people: chill. I'm just as excited about the new album as any of you, but I think the last thing the world needs is more conspiracy theories. If we're going to be like that then I might as well propose the theory that these tracks are actually recorded by Ben's evil twin brother from Neptune and that the real Ben has actually been kidnapped and is currently tied up in a broom closet 0.02 miles west of Albuquerque. I think that's just as plausible as some of the other theories posted in this thread.

Oh, and Luke: it's not that uncommon for an artist's demos to sound completely different from the finished track. I, being a musician myself, know that I'll come up with a song one day and build all around it, and then I'll come back the next day and write something completely different because I'm not satisfied with how it sounds. I know some of these tracks are just downright silly, but like I said earlier: I think he wants this album to be really different from Silverman. He said in the press release that this is him finding his "Way (back) To Normal" and if you look back to the Ben Folds Five days, these tracks aren't that "out-of-the-norm".

Well, those are my two cents (along with everybody elses as well  :P).
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 21, 2008, 02:29:28 PM
if you look back to the Ben Folds Five days, these tracks aren't that "out-of-the-norm".
As I said way back in the thread, these are the most percussion led songs since BFF and WAEA. There's very little actual "piano playing" from what I've heard (except Cologne), mostly Ben just stomping out chords. Which, completely contradicting myself, is unlike the first two albums, but is also unlike quite a lot else of his work. It's all very similar, with the melody coming largely from the singing and chords (and overdriven bass) than any impressive piano playing.

SFS was always a fairly whimsical album, SSSG was, IIRC, done mostly between RTS and SFS, so this is the first album that Ben Folds has done since TUBORM that has him and a band playing upbeat/rock music. So it's bound to sound a bit more like stuff from Ben Folds Five in a way that RTS didn't. Additionally, he's been playing drums for Amanda Palmer, which has no doubt reminded him that he loves them.

I wasn't keen on Free Coffee or Hiroshima from the live versions because they sounded very samey, but based on the leaked Hiroshima, and You Don't Know Me, I get what the style of the album is meant to be, and I have to say I think I'm going to love it. Some people like the whimsical storytelling Ben in things like Fred Jones Pt 2 - and I do too (he's a great storytelling musician, and I love Cologne as much as the others), but the main reason I like Ben is so I can crank it up to 11 and dance around the room to Kate, Zak and Sara and all the rest. This album seems like something that will do that (and as much as you all hate it, Dr Yang is in that league) and for that reason I agree with Michal - these songs are different to what we've heard before, but they're still Ben and still great. (And which songs get the biggest cheers at gigs are...)

I mean think - Ben's put out enough edgy songs in his life that the ones here aren't going to make that big an impact. I don't think he really cares about the record industry or needs to - his songs generally don't get played on the radio anyway these days, so why not just speak his mind? I don't remotely think the leaked The Bitch Went Nuts is real, but it's very funny and very Ben. "Parental Guidance" stickers will be on Ben's albums anyway - no-one who is going to buy WTN intentionally is going to be offended.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 21, 2008, 03:44:21 PM
so this is the first album that Ben Folds has done since TUBORM that has him and a band playing upbeat/rock music.

i think what you meant to say was "...has done since WAEA..." 
TUBORM isn't exactly upbeat.   :P
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Dsus4 on July 21, 2008, 04:06:24 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Ben pulled stuff like this off. After all, one of his recorded RTBs on myspace has him saying "songwriting is easy. Everyone makes it so f*cking complicated..." etc.

By the way, could anyone PM me a link to the album? pretty please?

--Dsus4
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Michal on July 21, 2008, 06:10:11 PM
Here it is! The official track listing for the new album (there's already a thread on this, but thought I'd put it here anyways).

1.) Hiroshima (B B B Benny Hits His Head)
2.) Dr. Yang
3.) The Frown
4.) You Don’t Know Me (featuring Regina Spektor)
5.) Before Cologne
6.) Cologne
7.) Errant Dog
8.) Free Coffee
9.) Bitch Went Nuts
10.) Brainwascht
11.) Effington
12.) Kylie from Connecticut

http://www.nme.com/news/ben-folds/38331
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 21, 2008, 06:34:01 PM
Maybe I missed something - just because Ben sings in the first person doesn't mean it's based on fact. "My Name is Hiro I am 52" didn't make me suddenly rewrite the biography page.

~A

Hiro was 51.

N00b.  :-*
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: greenie22 on July 21, 2008, 09:31:48 PM
This might even beat Guster "leaking" Keep It Together overdubbed with cat meows. . .

With all of the planned "leaks" happening in the last couple of years, this totally strikes me as a Ben prank. 
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 22, 2008, 12:14:27 AM
Maybe I missed something - just because Ben sings in the first person doesn't mean it's based on fact. "My Name is Hiro I am 52" didn't make me suddenly rewrite the biography page.

~A

Hiro was 51.

N00b.  :-*

I knew that! (Where's that edit button?)

Anyway, NME seems to be the only place that has a tracklisting. From my experience of NME I'd want confirmation from somewhere more reputable.
We can probably conclude that the press release from myspace is real - from a Google news search on Ben Folds it seems to have been sent out to several outlets.

~A
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 22, 2008, 05:08:31 AM
so this is the first album that Ben Folds has done since TUBORM that has him and a band playing upbeat/rock music.

i think what you meant to say was "...has done since WAEA..." 
TUBORM isn't exactly upbeat.   :P

yeah, "army" and "your redneck past" have me reaching for the tissues every time.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 22, 2008, 06:54:04 AM
Well I doubt the NME got their info from an official source as putting out something official that contradicted the leak would ruin the joke. We do know though that some media outlets have heard the (real) album so it's probably out there somewhere.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Michal on July 22, 2008, 07:31:27 AM
You don't that it's a joke though.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Dsus4 on July 22, 2008, 07:37:06 AM
Well, Ben said the album would be very 'un-orchestral' in the Paste magazine interview. Clearly there are some strings in the leaked Hiroshima and You Don't Know Me. He couldn't have pranked Paste magazine, so it would make sense if the leaked WTN is just a bunch of scrapped songs. Unless, of course, you consider two songs with strings on an album so far 'un-orchestral'...

By the way, did anyone break out in laughter when, in the MySpace bulletin, Folds said SFS was "deliberately stoic"?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 22, 2008, 08:11:43 AM
for goodness sake why does this sound so bitchy. the tracks are fun regardless if theyre legit or not everyone chill.

Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 22, 2008, 08:36:37 AM
Unless, of course, you consider two songs with strings on an album so far 'un-orchestral'...
Neither song uses the strings in a way that would lend itself to an orchestral arrangement.

The instrument played means nothing.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Deano on July 22, 2008, 10:06:07 AM
You don't that it's a joke though.

Technically no. But I'm as confident that it's a fake as I am that the sun is going to rise tomorrow morning. I'm open to a wager if anyone thinks otherwise...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mattfoxesq on July 22, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
I'm surprised that the general consensus seems to think that this version of "Cologne" is going to be the album version.  I think it's right up there with this version of "The Frown Song" in terms of likelihood that it will make the album in this form.  Especially the ridiculous reference to Lisa Nowak's diapers!

Honestly, I think the only 2 songs from the leak that are in an ALMOST finished state are "Hiroshima" and "You Don't Know Me," and I think they will both see some further tweaking as well.  (The end of Hiroshima seems like it will probably get cut, and the f-bomb in YDKM seems kind of out of place, even for Ben).

Also, I've taken the time now to listen to all of the tracks on a good sound system, and the only songs that sound even remotely professionally recorded are those two I mentioned.  The other 7 songs were definitely done with some kind of "demo" recording setup, and often the piano itself is miked very poorly.  There's no way that a major label would release recordings in such a crummy state unless it was some kind of special project or live performance release.  Granted, all of the tracks sound unmastered, but DENNIS HERRING WOULD NOT ATTACH HIS NAME TO SUCH POOR PRODUCTION!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Errant Dog on July 22, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
I'm surprised that the general consensus seems to think that this version of "Cologne" is going to be the album version.  I think it's right up there with this version of "The Frown Song" in terms of likelihood that it will make the album in this form.  Especially the ridiculous reference to Lisa Nowak's diapers!

Honestly, I think the only 2 songs from the leak that are in an ALMOST finished state are "Hiroshima" and "You Don't Know Me," and I think they will both see some further tweaking as well.  (The end of Hiroshima seems like it will probably get cut, and the f-bomb in YDKM seems kind of out of place, even for Ben).

Also, I've taken the time now to listen to all of the tracks on a good sound system, and the only songs that sound even remotely professionally recorded are those two I mentioned.  The other 7 songs were definitely done with some kind of "demo" recording setup, and often the piano itself is miked very poorly.  There's no way that a major label would release recordings in such a crummy state unless it was some kind of special project or live performance release.  Granted, all of the tracks sound unmastered, but DENNIS HERRING WOULD NOT ATTACH HIS NAME TO SUCH POOR PRODUCTION!

I'm pretty sure the people who helped record the video for Cologne said it was the exact same version they heard. That's why it is a consensus.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mattfoxesq on July 22, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
....the fact that the video was recorded seems really obviously deliberate to me as part of the joke....

YDKM was mentioned as the first single anyway, so why would they have been focusing on Cologne?  I think the video thing and this fake leak are related...but whatever.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 22, 2008, 10:51:43 AM
I'm pretty sure the people who helped record the video for Cologne said it was the exact same version they heard. That's why it is a consensus.
Lyrics seem odd, but real enough:
Cologne Lyrics (http://www.thesuburbs.org.uk/Board/index.php?topic=4790.msg60088#msg60088)
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 22, 2008, 11:15:44 AM
DENNIS HERRING WOULD NOT ATTACH HIS NAME TO SUCH POOR PRODUCTION!

that's probably one of the most valid statements on this thread to date, imo.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 22, 2008, 11:37:00 AM
I agree.

Hiroshima sounds so flat and sh*tty, I'd expect it to be fixed by his producer.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kyle on July 22, 2008, 12:12:18 PM
I told you guys, early (in-progress) preview for the record company that was leaked.  Remember, Kylie was finished pretty late, and Ben mentioned that when he first played it.. and it's not here.  Nor is the altoid Free Coffee.  These may be early versions he was working on (Bitch Went Nuts, Brainwascht, Free Coffee) that he ended up not being happy with and rewrote the songs later on.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: DrAlexHaleIII on July 22, 2008, 12:16:23 PM
As I've said before, someone who was at the Cologne video shoot said that the band said they'd only just finished the song (whereas I'm pretty sure we were told before the video shoot by the band that the album was finished). I remember me and Allison discussing it and being a bit concerned that they had finished the song so late in the process (I may be wrong, but the person I am specifically referencing said it was finished just days before the shoot). Furthermore, someone who was at the shoot has since mentioned a conversation between Jared and Sam where they noticed the "f*ck you" and remarked with amusement that it had made it in - slightly suspicious IMO that the band themselves hadn't really listened to the song yet were making a video for it.

I do think that, if this is a fake (which I personally think it is, others may or may not share this opinion, etc.) that Ben probably will still do stuff with these songs, hence the effort. Personally I think we may have a companion CD to "Way to Normal" as we did in the form of "Songs for Goldfish" to Silverman, or at least a ready supply of B-sides. These are just theories, I could be completely wrong. I hope that I'm NOT wrong, though, if only for the reason that I've listened to these songs so much now that only a few tracks on the final album will be "surprises" (all but "Before Cologne" being songs I've heard before live).
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 22, 2008, 12:23:27 PM
I told you guys, early (in-progress) preview for the record company that was leaked.  Remember, Kylie was finished pretty late, and Ben mentioned that when he first played it.. and it's not here.  Nor is the altoid Free Coffee.  These may be early versions he was working on (Bitch Went Nuts, Brainwascht, Free Coffee) that he ended up not being happy with and rewrote the songs later on.
I was thinking last night about "The Bitch Went Nuts". I can imagine a meeting with Ben and the label where they say "You can't do all this political stuff", and he says, "So what can I say? Can I say c*nt?". Hence the version we now have.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: kingrikk (Kirk) on July 22, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Furthermore, someone who was at the shoot has since mentioned a conversation between Jared and Sam where they noticed the "f*ck you" and remarked with amusement that it had made it in - slightly suspicious IMO that the band themselves hadn't really listened to the song yet were making a video for it.
I don't think it's that suspicious - if they just finished recording it a few days prior, they'd have only finished putting it together even more recently. There's no reason Sam and Jared would necessarily hear stuff, them "only" being performers* and all, so this could have easily been the first time they had heard the finished song.

*What I mean is, once they'd recorded their parts, would they necessarily be around the studio? Actors often don't see the finished movie until the premiere, and if Sam and Jared have no production role in the album, they would not be required in the studio when Ben and the other guy I can't remember the name of were putting the tracks together.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ransim on July 22, 2008, 02:18:26 PM
Jared did say that the song "Cologne" was just finished (like the night or two nights before, I can't remember) as we began practicing for the video. But this leak of "Cologne" is exactly what we practiced to except there was a count-in barely audible at the start of the song.
Believe me when I say that this song "Cologne" is the real deal. My understanding of us being in the video was that it was for a "DVD release". These are Adam's (the fan club manager) exact words to me when we spoke on the phone a few days before the video shoot. With that being said, I am assuming there will be a DVD release of videos.
I don't think anyone would spend the money on a video crew only to say it's not real. Feel free to check out my link of some of the pictures I shot between takes.

http://web.mac.com/randysimmons/iWeb/Site/Ben%20Folds%20Video%20Shoot.html

My friend Todd was in the video too and his website with photos is:

http://web.mac.com/ctod/benfoldsvideoshoot/06.16.2008.html#grid

I had more photos posted outside Ben's studio but I was told I had to remove them. I guess they thought fans would try to find Ben's studio in Nashville.
I had great shots of Ben, Jared, Sam and Ben's manager. We started at around 11 and ended at just before 5.

I also did get to meet Ben's new wife Fleur, spoke to her briefly, (Fleur helped the extras learn to play the piano bit at the beginning and end) and his kids, the twins were there too.
Jared's wife was there with their newborn and Sam's girlfriend/wife (?) was there. There was another guy with his shirt off playing tambourine, who I did not recognize.
Also, there was a beautiful young lady dressed as a cat who was crawling around on the floor amongst the row of pianos during the video... she was shot coming up the stairs behind the choir too.
I did get to talk to her and she said she was Ben's neighbor and had just graduated with a degree in theatre.

Ben had his kids sitting on his lap in front of his piano before we started and was playing some goofy tunes, like he played the Star Wars theme on piano. Later while sitting at the piano, it sounded like he was starting Ray Charles' "Them That Got". One of the other extras started playing chopsticks and Ben chimed in as well but it was really short.

Again, I can't imagine this was all done, spending nearly the entire day shooting this video, only to be fake.

Note: Apparently Ben does do alot of traditional photography as I saw a make-shift darkroom and photo developing equipment laying around.

Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 22, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
I wish more people "in the know" would post like you have. Thank you for the insider info. Too bad we can't see all the photos.... not that I have the time to drive/fly down to Nashville to stalk Ben's studio anyways.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 22, 2008, 07:51:24 PM
nevermind.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cdonovan on July 22, 2008, 07:52:32 PM
I love the diapers lyrics my only problem with the whole song is "4..3...2....1.. Im letting you go/ I will let go if you will let go" if they just change this one redundent line it'd be my favorite leaked song. Maybe they meant finished as finally had a semi clean recording?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Luke8400 on July 22, 2008, 08:31:40 PM
Yeah, we (Ben and crew included) spent a whole day on that video shoot, and many of us drove long distances.  Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to for a "fake" song.  Just because YDKM is the first single doesn't mean Cologne won't be one at all; labels often pick every single off an album before its release.

I have to go with Occam's razor as far as this whole thing goes.  The likelihood that these are legit demos, demos of completely different songs with the same titles as songs he's been playing for nearly 8 months, is very slim.  Sure, songs change, but rarely do they go through a complete lyrical, musical, and conceptual overhaul and retain the same title.  How is that not really odd?  The simplest explanation is that he made up a few bullshit songs in the studio to confuse people who have no intention of buying the album.  And for actual fans, it's entertaining.  And of course the (potential) singles are there, because that's what non-fans who go to download the album will recognize.

I'm thinking we're definitely in for some bonuses with the album, though...in the form of a DVD (Cologne video and more) and/or bonus CD with these songs, and maybe other b-sides, on it.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 23, 2008, 04:35:18 AM
But why would people who have absolutley no intention of buying the album, go to the trouble of finding and downloading the leak?

I can't see how putting out a 'fake' album would be beneficial. Some people think the leaked album is crap, therefore they might not buy the record! The record industry really is up shit creek at the moment and artists need every single sale they can get and then some!

P.s great post ransim - great photos as well.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Andy on July 23, 2008, 04:47:35 AM
Semi-official word from a trusted source:

At least one of these leaked songs is very different from the album track with the same name - in both lyrics and instrumentation.

My two-penneth:
Ben's contractural obligations require a certain number of songs (hence 'One Down', 'Girl', etc), and this new album is the last one under his current contract with the label. Maybe he's just building up the numbers so that he can make one last push with with the album launch, and he's "outta here"*.

~A

* No, I don't mean retiring, it was a refernce to 'One Down'. Stop hyperventilating.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 23, 2008, 04:52:39 AM
Semi-official word from a trusted source:

At least one of these leaked songs is very different from the album track with the same name - in both lyrics and instrumentation.


Oooh?
Free coffee?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ransim on July 23, 2008, 04:56:41 AM
Thanks for your comment on my picts. I am glad to share these with everyone. My friend and I, both, took our digital cameras and quite honestly, I didn't think we would be able to use them.
Ben's people got in touch with me and my friend to get our photos. They said they wanted to use them in a non-commercial way and give us credit for them. We ended up uploading our images to them. I hope they use them somewhere. I don't really care about getting paid for them...just the opportunity to have them used is an honor enough.
Ransim
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: javajunkie (lynn) on July 23, 2008, 05:08:50 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I think we have some definitive proof that the version of The Bitch Went Nuts that's on this leak is not what will appear on the real version.

From the PASTE interview:

Quote
Paste: In that vein, did you have any concerns about fans interpreting the track "Bitch Went Nuts" as a cheeky backhand to your ex-wife Frally?
Folds: Oh, no. I mean I would be worried that it would be interpreted that way. But I would have never written something like that or used that word for someone specific. If there's a specific person in that, it's only the basketball-stabbing person, who was someone who stabbed a volleyball belonging to a friend of mine in college. And the idea behind the song—and I think it's in the intro of the song—is that if you ask loads of women what went wrong in a relationship, they're going to give you a variety of answers. But if you ask men, especially at a bar somewhere, and they're gonna go "Uh! Bitch went nuts!" It's really more of a comment on the male perspective than it is on a…yeah, no one ever stabbed a basketball and uh, I would never call someone that I know a “bitch,” so there you go.

The leaked version doesn't have the basketball stabbing line, or the intro, so unless he's lying to PASTE, which I doubt, we've got a totally different song here.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 23, 2008, 05:50:20 AM
I noticed this morning that in Hiroshima, during the last set of "Ohoh-uhoh"s, there's a bad note in the bass. Maybe it's right and I just think it sounds bad, but I've noticed it everytime I hear the song (it's right after Ben says "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalright"). Also, someone mentioned the piano being poorly recorded. There's a small solo when Ben says "All around the world" that should be louder, adding to my "demos" theory.

But whatever, I don't care if they're fake or real, they're Ben Folds and that's enough for me.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 23, 2008, 06:43:22 AM
Semi-official word from a trusted source:

At least one of these leaked songs is very different from the album track with the same name - in both lyrics and instrumentation.


Oooh?
Free coffee?

That and Ben had said that You Don't Know me had changed alot from the version he played Exit Inn..... and that live version sounds alot like the leaked version. So maybe that has changed as well? I hope not, I like it as is. Maybe not as a single, but it stands out from the rest of what we've heard.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: andrewspears on July 23, 2008, 06:58:18 AM
That and Ben had said that You Don't Know me had changed alot from the version he played Exit Inn..... and that live version sounds alot like the leaked version. So maybe that has changed as well? I hope not, I like it as is. Maybe not as a single, but it stands out from the rest of what we've heard.

you misunderstood. ben had actually changed it a lot from the exit/in at the very next concert he played... whereas it was a little more "white hip hop" before, it got a little quirker and had some more piano pounding, like on the leak. go on youtube and listen to the version played at the exit/in and then the one at ann arbor.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 23, 2008, 07:16:52 AM
I would if I could from work..... youtube and all othe rfun websites are blocked.
All I have is the exit/in version (haha I spelled it inn like Ben did), haven't head the other one.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: melissa on July 23, 2008, 07:46:47 AM
That and Ben had said that You Don't Know me had changed alot from the version he played Exit Inn..... and that live version sounds alot like the leaked version. So maybe that has changed as well? I hope not, I like it as is. Maybe not as a single, but it stands out from the rest of what we've heard.

you misunderstood. ben had actually changed it a lot from the exit/in at the very next concert he played... whereas it was a little more "white hip hop" before, it got a little quirker and had some more piano pounding, like on the leak. go on youtube and listen to the version played at the exit/in and then the one at ann arbor.

allison and i asked jared about YDKM a month or two after the ann arbor show.  i wasn't caring for the changes he made between shows (exit in/folk festival).  that's why we inquired.  he said it had already changed a lot since even ann arbor.  take that as you will...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: gettinoldtoofast on July 23, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
DENNIS HERRING WOULD NOT ATTACH HIS NAME TO SUCH POOR PRODUCTION!

The most recent Modest Mouse album was horribly produced, so I wouldn't put it by him.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: mattfoxesq on July 23, 2008, 08:53:43 AM
I disagree...I think the Modest Mouse disc is produced very well.  I just don't much care for them as a band.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: DrAlexHaleIII on July 23, 2008, 09:29:42 AM
Just a thought I had, but we've already concluded that many of the songs he's been playing live were built on the Rock This Bitch improvs that he's been playing in the last few years. Nobody has, to my knowledge, compared any of these leaked versions to improvs. Even though I personally believe the leak to be fake, I have to admit that I think it's kinda weird that the genuine versions would be derived from goofy, on-the-spot made-up songs whereas the fakes (goofy as they are) were devised outside of the live arena. Of course, most songs likely begin life as improvised melodies/words and get fleshed out and developed into entities completely estranged from their beginning point, but I just thought that was an interesting way of looking at it...
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: PonchoRavioli on July 23, 2008, 09:52:16 AM
I think Dr. Yang sounds alot like Heist from Over the Hedge the chorus are almost identical. I also think that part of The Way to Normal sounds like the Tokyo radio promo from Songs for Goldfish.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: ransim on July 23, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
I guess everyone has seen the similarities between Hiroshima and Elton John's Bennie and the Jets with the pounding piano beat and fake audience sounds.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Brian Golley on July 23, 2008, 05:06:16 PM
I guess everyone has seen the similarities between Hiroshima and Elton John's Bennie and the Jets with the pounding piano beat and fake audience sounds.
Yeah it's the first thing you think of, especially considering the song's subtitle. Ben's little homage I guess. I think this leak is brilliantly funny. I laughed out aloud at Brainwascht. How does everyone fair You Don't Know Me's charting ability? I usually don't even consider it but I think song may just be a hit.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 23, 2008, 05:48:08 PM
i really like YDKM. i think it definitely has potential to chart pretty high.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Dr_Boni on July 23, 2008, 06:38:45 PM
Also, it was mentioned somewhere else...

But http://youtube.com/watch?v=K9zMizbLHYk = Brainwascht

And Ben was producing Amanda Palmer's new CD.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: gettinoldtoofast on July 23, 2008, 07:55:10 PM
I disagree...I think the Modest Mouse disc is produced very well.  I just don't much care for them as a band.

Actually, I thought it was over-produced, not poorly produced. It's over-produced especially compared to their older albums which are so much better than both albums produced by Herring, even though Good News was great.

But yeah, Ben Folds leak. The only song I liked was You Don't Know Me, and Bitch Went Nuts made me laugh.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 24, 2008, 06:23:30 PM
I disagree...I think the Modest Mouse disc is produced very well.  I just don't much care for them as a band.

Actually, I thought it was over-produced, not poorly produced. It's over-produced especially compared to their older albums which are so much better than both albums produced by Herring, even though Good News was great.

But yeah, Ben Folds leak. The only song I liked was You Don't Know Me, and Bitch Went Nuts made me laugh.
You didn't like Cologne??????  >:(
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cassandra on July 24, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
i didn't like cologne, i think the lyrics are poorly written and completely trite
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 24, 2008, 06:43:44 PM
Musically though it's wonderful. I'm hoping that it's not quite the finished version, lyrically, but if it is I still will play it as loudly as I do now.

I've grown to love the ending, with all them bums and HAs.  \m/
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 24, 2008, 06:55:12 PM
actually, dr yang is a fun one even though it lacks like a real solo fun piano part... probably my favorite of the songs i don't believe are real.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cdonovan on July 25, 2008, 12:43:12 PM
I'm hoping that it's not quite the finished version, lyrically, but if it is I still will play it as loudly as I do now..  \m/

Do you guys remember how bad the lyrics were to army in the spare reels section of the sessions dvd when he was recording it in the studio?
He called that song "completed" and as we all know it was much improved on messner!

Hopefully its the same thing here.
ps. I really love the ending too!  \m/
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 25, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
i'm sure that the songs will be cleaned up before they go on the album. i think somebody posted before about the bad note in hiroshima, and stuff like that would have to be fixed
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: cassandra on July 25, 2008, 05:59:21 PM
i'm sure that the songs will be entirely changed into beautiful masterpieces that rival the quality of any pre-solo era release before they go on the album. i think somebody posted before about the bad note in hiroshima, and stuff like that would have to be fixed

i fixed it for you
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: celtic745 on July 25, 2008, 06:25:55 PM
i'm sure that the songs will be cleaned up before they go on the album. i think somebody posted before about the bad note in hiroshima, and stuff like that would have to be fixed

yeah true, but there was that bad note jared hit in bastard that they decided to keep in that song
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 26, 2008, 06:10:59 AM
i'm sure that the songs will be entirely changed into beautiful masterpieces that rival the quality of any pre-solo era release before they go on the album. i think somebody posted before about the bad note in hiroshima, and stuff like that would have to be fixed

i fixed it for you

gosh thanks!!


yeah true, but there was that bad note jared hit in bastard that they decided to keep in that song
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that one isn't as obvious though. at least not to me. the note in hiroshima really kinda jumps out at you

Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 26, 2008, 06:27:57 AM
I still don't think I've heard the bad note... where is it?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 26, 2008, 06:32:08 AM
in hiroshima or bastard?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: wee_lou on July 26, 2008, 07:34:34 AM
both? i havn't noticed either, will need to listen again.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on July 26, 2008, 07:55:56 AM
Is the bad note in Bastard at the end or somewhere in the 5/4 part?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Michal on July 26, 2008, 08:09:37 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on July 26, 2008, 08:27:12 AM
in hiroshima it's around 2:44. there's a bass note that doesn't really seem to fit
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on July 26, 2008, 12:37:01 PM
I have to admit I'm really enjoying this album. It's fun. And pisses off my mum when I play it really loud lol!
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Dsus4 on July 26, 2008, 03:40:04 PM
Mhm. I'm enjoying Cologne, Dr. Yang, and (yes) The Bitch Went Nuts a lot. The latter is just fun.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Kidney05 on July 27, 2008, 03:37:25 PM
man, out of all the songs that are on the leak, i miss the original "bitch went nuts" the most.  that song had a killer solo and was so good... also, kylie, but that one wasn't faked... i really hope that all those songs return to original form.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on July 29, 2008, 08:50:48 PM
2 more months till we find out, people.  :D
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: marcusdavis on August 05, 2008, 12:50:22 AM
I'd like to get a copy of the 9 tracks... could someone send them to marcuswilsondavis AT gmail DOT com ? Thanks! I want in on all this.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Hanny on August 06, 2008, 04:17:30 AM
I actually really like Dr Yang and the bitch went nutz is making me laugh.

plus can't you lot hear narcolepsy in Cologne, and mess in this version of Free Coffee?
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Volcanoloserkid on August 06, 2008, 06:10:21 AM
Just thought you should know, Bitch Went Nutz is up on the Myspace.
I never heard the leak version, but in this one I can't hear anything about a basketball.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on August 06, 2008, 06:26:21 AM
Yeah there's a topic about it, we're kinda thinking it's part of the joke fake leak thing, because in the press release it says that involves stabbing basketballs and speakers...... Probably just another one of those goofy songs Ben puts on there that aren't released. Officially. Although no one has leaked Fuzak, or Baby Rabbits, or the other little odd ditties that show up.
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: Laura on August 06, 2008, 07:44:07 AM
baby rabbits was an improv in NC, so that wouldn't really be a leak
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: jackmannequin89 on September 08, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
Someone PLEASE email me the link to the songs!!! I know they're fake but I loved Free Coffee Town and I really want to hear the rest!!!!

dashboardcfan89@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Mysterious New Songs?
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on September 08, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
Someone PLEASE email me the link to the songs!!! I know they're fake but I loved Free Coffee Town and I really want to hear the rest!!!!

dashboardcfan89@yahoo.com

Holy shit if you loved Free Coffee Town you're gonna splode if you hear the rest  ;D