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General => Tour Board => Topic started by: Jane_Be_Jane on February 10, 2002, 06:44:47 AM

Title: "Something Different"
Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on February 10, 2002, 06:44:47 AM
Here's what Ben had to say regarding touring in the WFUV interview back in December:

And as far as touring goes, I really want to do something different.  I want every tour to be a little different, and I’ve got a few ideas; I’m not exactly sure what I’m going to do yet.  But, um, I don’t expect I’ll be that predictable, the format of the touring next couple of years. I’ve got a lot of ideas.

Let's brainstorm.

Imagine you are Ben. What are your ideas to make each tour a little different?
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Post by: greyseal on February 10, 2002, 02:57:05 PM
I would like to see him incorporate monkeys into the act.   ;D

Oh, wait.  Ok, fine.  So, hmm...  I guess it comes down to figuring out what the options are, right?  The last tour was a classic band sort of setup, and the setlist was usually pretty consistent.  This one seems to be Bowery-style, with fan participation and a laid-back attitude.  As such, the setlist is bound to be a little more flexible.  (This is probably what is most exciting, for me.)  I think in the future, maybe it will have something to do with how or who he tours with.  Kind of like having unusual instrument sections--perhaps strings or horns?  What about venues?  The Moore is actually quite larger than the Showbox (here in Seattle), whereas the type of performance lends itself to an intimate venue.  Oh, budge, I dunno!  Just throwing out things that might "change" a tour.  

Maybe he'll do some spoken word <g>
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on February 10, 2002, 05:53:48 PM
And I know you and I would be interested in seeing his musical on tour!  ;D  But I don't think that's what he meant.
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Post by: greyseal on February 10, 2002, 09:29:58 PM
LOL, the musical would rule.  Then again, Ben isn't an actor, and is unlikely to actually perform the songs in his musical.  Then there is all the workshopping and stages to go through with musicals...the average show takes something like four or five years to get to the stage, depending.  Anyway, yeah, Ben, write a musical!  

I wonder what would be his subject matter.  

Hmm...

Anyway, yeah, maybe he'll do a tour with Glen or something.  Like the Elton John/Billy Joel tour.  That would be cool!

~g
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on February 10, 2002, 10:39:44 PM
LOL, that would be cool.  Glen just finished a joint tour with Nickel Creek, and during the tour they had some sort of bet/project where they each had to write a song each day of the tour.  They would start with a song name, and everyone had to write their own song using that song name. I would love to see Ben & Glen do that!
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Ben_Folds_Fan on February 11, 2002, 11:18:26 AM
I'm sure our European based friends would like to see a tour format that acknowledges the existence of their continent.

Um...you know I've never really thought there were a whole lot of different tour formats. You've got solo vs. band, small vs. medium venue size and predetermined setlist vs. free form.

I'm just glad to hear him refer to touring for "the next couple of years."  That means he might be available for my 50th birthday party. ;D 8) ;)
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: greyseal on February 11, 2002, 02:09:10 PM
But what about the monkeys?   ;D
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on February 11, 2002, 02:47:36 PM
I could see how their tom-foolery might add a little bit to the show but would he cover any of their tunes?

Oh man Ben on "Last Train to Clarksville" would be sweet.

Roame

(who realizes that there are like 2 people on this board who could sing "last train to clarksville)
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Post by: greyseal on February 12, 2002, 05:43:15 PM
You're including me in that count, right?   :D

~g, former Monkees enthusiast
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on February 12, 2002, 05:57:19 PM
Can you hear Ben now?

dodododododododo... <Thwap!> Take the last...

<makes that funny Ben face>

You know the one where he looks into the crowd and it kinda looks like he wants to take a shit.  ;D

That face is soooo cool. It's like his "I'm a badass" face.

Rome

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Post by: greyseal on February 13, 2002, 06:45:13 PM
Oh, thanks for that!  Now I'm gonna imagine a Ben bathroom scenario whenever he makes that face!   :-[

~g, a slave to her mental imagery
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Leia on February 19, 2002, 11:58:33 PM
You mean like THAT face?

http://www.theblueswan.com/jana/images/wbenscream.jpg

HAhaha hoohoo.. yes.

Love,
Leia
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 07, 2002, 03:21:27 PM
Here's a copy of what Greyseal posted on the setlist thread.  While it was very appropriate there, my babbling about how much I love Ben may not be.  ;D

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Posted on the Armchair by Lyon2kc@cs.com,but too cool not to repost here.  I edited it a bit, indicated by snips.

<snip>he explained why he hasn't played the last polka. i guess when he played it in lawrence last fall, he screwed up somehow (which i do not remember), so he's had a block against playing it. but he played it flawlessly. and the audience sang every word. ben said we were excellent singers. he said that he's got two plans for the next tour.

1. he wants people to write letters or poems or lyrics, and then he'll make songs up for them with the city in the title and release a cd called the people's court.

2. he'll score something for the audience to sing and then record it and integrate it into his next cd. so i'm pumped for that.  <snip>

Ok, so like, COOL.  I posted here because morry posted about TLP reasoning, but maybe this belongs in the future tour musings thread...

~g, who may not have mentioned she sure likes Ben  

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!!!! Wow, that IS something different. So how cool is that?  When does this tour start, I can't wait! hee!

I don't know about y'all, but I don't think Greyseal and I could love Ben any more than we do at this moment.  Of course, this is something she says (and I agree with) at every new development... sometime like 3 times a day.  There is always more love where that came from.  ;)
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Post by: greyseal on March 08, 2002, 02:29:48 AM
I am just a fountain of love!  I have to admit, he could snort in the middle of a laugh and I would probably squeal with delight.  

SO, this new info from the KC show is just absolutely squeal-worthy.  Not sure why the audience participation thing gets me going, but I think because it feels so communal that way.  Maybe that is why I post to the boards so much, and revel in bootlegs; truly, organic evidence of other people enjoying Ben's music just fires me up.

Yeah, I gush, gush, gush, which is evidently not lost on JBJ ;)  And the idea that Ben would put together a recording that, to me, translates as a sort of, maybe like an audience tribute (for lack of a better description)--well, it is gratifying, to say the least.

~g, who, really, likes, commas, today,,,
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Post by: greyseal on March 11, 2002, 10:22:32 AM
Ok, I know I'm totally aping this from the blue boards, but Dixielover posted the following comments about the 3.10.01 Austin, TX show, and I found them entertaining.

"Thanks ya'll for making what might be one of the worst performances I've done into one of my all-time favorites."

He was being apologetic the entire time because he forgot lyrics, couldn't remember certain chords. In his words "I'm sorry I'm playing like I'm drunk in my living room right now, but it's cool because ya'll sing along well.." etc. I think Ben really did like the crowd a lot tonight and I'm not just saying that because I'm an Austin-ite.


Once again, I'm having one of those, "I super-duper heart Ben!" moments.  :sigh:

~g, who best get in the shower and to work...
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Post by: greyseal on March 11, 2002, 02:09:31 PM
I can't stop!  I'm making these phone calls, and every time someone answers the phone I'll all giggly because I keep reading stuff like this:

Before "Not the Same", he broke the audience into 3 groups who did various bass, alto, and soprano harmonies. Then he asked us to do it by ourselves several times "clean" so that during the mixing process they could use us doing the harmony, take a "magical computer" and put it throughout the song.

Also, I mentioned this earlier, but he said he was working on a brand new song, and wanted to have a crowd sing-along background part of it. So he taught us a very pretty melody with lots of "la la las" in it, had 3 different groups sing different octaves, and also recorded us doing that several times.


~g, who'll refrain from gushing, but just NOW giggled at another person
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 11, 2002, 05:24:17 PM
Wow, Ben IS in a very immediate kind of mood right now.  Everything he says, he does... and right away!

I loooove it when he says, "I just want it all at my fingertips right now."  Oh, and you shall have it.

Nobody's reading this other than Grey right? My conversations with her give me a false sense of security regarding what is appropriate conversation before "the line" is crossed.  ;)

(You mean there's a line?)
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Post by: greyseal on March 11, 2002, 06:17:49 PM
Yeah, JBJ, I think we've sort of commendeered this thread for ourselves <g>

I must say, I'm not usually this silly, but shoot!  I guess the year and a half of Ben (and Darren and Robert, there when I thought there would be a fourth album) starvation, I'm just excited about the events of the past few months.  I blame Bowery.  I don't think much can match that show, like, ever.

I was sitting in traffic this morning thinking about how my friend Joe reacted when I told him I was going to LA at the end of the month.  He said, "Damn, girl, you are really obsessed this time, aren't you?  You used to have a life!"

He didn't mean it in a bad way, I guess, but it got me thinking.  At the time, I felt uber-stupid.  Then I compared us.  I mean, he sits on his bum on weekends, drinking beer with his girlfriend, intermittenly doing homework, and going to little bioengineering parties.  

I'm taking trips to big exciting cities to see kickass concerts, and having a GREAT time with all the people I see in the process.  I think that is enough "life" for me ;)

Anyway, I'm sitting here, waiting for a program to install...thinkin'.  

~g, ok with herself ;)
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 11, 2002, 06:58:48 PM
<She thinks it's a private conversation>

<SHHHHH She'll hear you!>

<Meh, They don't listen to anything 'cept their own voices>

<Quiet YOU Bonehead>

<OWWW, Don't hit me>
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Post by: greyseal on March 11, 2002, 07:59:22 PM
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<Meh, They don't listen to anything 'cept their own voices>


:sniff!:  :'(

How can we help it if we're...verbose?  You're welcome to get in the conversation.  Rome, now tell us all why YOU heart Ben <g>

~g, just prompting conversation

Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 12, 2002, 11:31:15 AM
<go on...talk or sumpthin!>

<quit hitting me! you punk!>

Oh...um...Ahem...

Why I love Ben...hmmm...well: He's a freak for one. I'm a freak. He's a total dork but he ended up with a babe. I'm a total dork and I ended up with a babe <love you sweetie  :-*> I really like story/character based music. Steely Dan, Tom Waits, Soul Coughing, Leonard Cohen, Grant Lee Phillips(Buffalo), Van Morrison and so on. Ben has that writing style.

I've never met him but from what I've read he seems to be quite funny. His stage banter is hilarious. He kind of reminds me of people I grew up with I guess. He strikes me as a loyal person though I really have nothing to base that impression on. Just a gut instinct I guess. He seems like he would be really fun to go camping with. I like fun campers. Got to be positive when you camp. No whiners cause they spoil the mood.

And that is why I like Ben.

<bows and steps back into line>
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Emily on March 12, 2002, 01:39:45 PM
Rome, you rock my world.  ;D

Oh, and girls... you've got a few lurkers. :-)
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: pokeystar on March 12, 2002, 07:52:10 PM
I love Ben because he's a world class smart ass. Right up there with my husband, John Cusack, Ramon & Owen Wilson.
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: bored on March 13, 2002, 09:05:08 AM
I like Ben cuz he's a "dork" and a smart-ass. I guess I am too. But nobody can make nerds look cool the way Ben does.  8)
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 13, 2002, 03:13:49 PM
BEN IS NOT A DORK!! RRRAAWWWWRRRR!!

He is not concerned with image; it does not make him a dork.  Pretend it's not that way; it's my idea of faith.

;D
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: bored on March 13, 2002, 04:04:30 PM
'kay ???
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 13, 2002, 04:34:43 PM
Ooops, did I scare you?  ???
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 13, 2002, 04:50:45 PM
Sorry to bust your bubble Jane...Ben is dorkus malorkus all the way  :P
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: bored on March 13, 2002, 05:41:48 PM
You didn't scare me. I'm trying to lay off the message board scene a little. It's begining to be addicting. Catchya later.
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Post by: greyseal on March 13, 2002, 06:26:46 PM
I never thought of Ben as a nerd...LOL, in fact, I never understood that.  If Ben is a dork, what the heck is our standard of "cool"?!  ???

~g, who is grossly biased, but still of the opinion that Ben ranks pretty high on the coolness quotient
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 13, 2002, 08:56:45 PM
I agree! I almost wrote the EXACT same thing, but I was interupted by work of all things!  

Why is Ben a nerd? Is it because YOU really think he is? And if so, why is that traits you find cool are "dorky?"  What does this say about us who think Ben is cool?  Is it his appearance? His clothing? His mannerisms? Or is it because the media has called him this repeatedly until we all believed it?  

I'm not going to say Ben is the coolest thing ever or even that he has mainstream appeal.  But that in and of itself does not make him a dork.  Was he a dork in high school? I don't care! He's talented, intelligent, communicative, charming... he may display some dorkish tendencies (some of pictures are more dorky than others), but I don't like the label of a dork.  How exactly does one define a 35 year old dork?  Unless he has buck teeth and a pocket protector (no offense to anyone who does), I'm not willing to commit to the label.  

I think I just don't like labels.  How would one label me? I wasn't "popular" (aka powerful) in high school, though I was a cheerleader. I don't think my friends and I were nerds, though some of the bigger assh*les in the "popular" crowd might have alluded to that at times.  Was I nerd?  Or just shy?  In college I was in a sorority, but I lived in a laid-back, bohemian, pot-smoking kind of neighborhood. Was I a rich, stuck up bitch? Or a drug addict? Now I spend a lot of time on the internet and freak out over "dorks" like Ben Folds. Nerd again? Or am I the girl you flirted with in the elevator? See, I don't like labels, because I have never, ever fit into one.

If we think Ben is cool because he is a dork, then we must admire dorky qualities.  Then either we are dorks, or we disagree with what some other people consider dorky.  If it's the former, so be it, but again I resent the label.  ;)  If it is the latter, then we need to redefine who we allow to tell us what is cool and what is not.

JBJ, stepping off the soapbox... it feels kind of slippery
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Post by: Ben_Folds_Fan on March 14, 2002, 09:53:57 AM

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 Unless he has buck teeth and a pocket protector (no offense to anyone who does), I'm not willing to commit to the label.  


Man, oh man, I guess that makes me a dork after all. ;D
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 14, 2002, 10:49:15 AM
Hey I am soooo proud to be a dork. I don't consider it negative at all  :)

Just because you are a dork doesn't mean you can't be cool. Other examples-

David Byrne
Beck
Laurie Anderson
Carl Sagan
Bjork
Paul Westerberg
George Harrison
John Cusak (and his sister can't remember her name-brainfart)
Edward Norton
The Dali Lama
Ben Stien
FDR

Ummm need I go on?  Stop being so caught up in negitive connotations of labels Jane.  :P God cheerleaders are so sensitive.  ;D
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 14, 2002, 01:50:55 PM
I think you just named a lot of other cool people.  ;) You seem to be saying they are cool in spite of being dorks?  All I am asking then is what makes them dorks and what makes them cool?  If these things coexist, what do the words really mean? (Please don't give me the literal meaning of "dork" - I don't want to taste my breakfast again.  ;D Ooops. Um. I was thinking of geek. Nevermind.)

Anyway, I realize that I am a) a huge dork for the above post and b) a hypocrite since I refer to people as dorks all the time.  Still, I just don't get it.

I guess it's just that once again I don't fit in with whatever label is being used for cool.  In this case, the label is dork (and the cool kids are you, silly)... and I'm just Jane, perpetual outsider.  ???

Rescue me, Grey.
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Post by: greyseal on March 14, 2002, 02:24:31 PM
Well, um, I know JBJ asked not to invoke the actual dictionary, but I think it is instructive <g>  

dork Slang. A stupid, inept, or foolish person: "the stupid antics of America's favorite teen-age cartoon dorks"(Joshua Mooney).

~g, who has more to say, but printers and email to fix ;)
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 14, 2002, 05:40:27 PM
I just have dork-dar  8)

That dictionary definition is crap. I know my kind when I see them. Jane you look way to much into labels. I mean when you call a person a geek do you really think they are biting the heads off of chickens every night?

It has nothing to do with being cool. It's a totally seperate personality trait. It's something ineffable. A certain "not on the cutting edge" attitude.

I dunno, this is a stupid conversation anyways. Hey if you don't think he's a dork...whatever. You just keep on living in your fantasy world FREAK! :P
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 14, 2002, 06:15:08 PM
I feel so loved.

I think it's funny that you're telling me I'm too focused on labels when I'm trying to avoid labeling.  If you're trying to drive me insane by telling what I am too much and not enough of, I think it's working.  ;) I get what you mean, though, about it being something ineffable. But I guess this "stupid" conversation is over.   ::) ;D
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 14, 2002, 07:51:05 PM
HA! sorry "stupid" was the wrong word.

I love you Jane! Really I do  :-*!

I'm just getting the impression that you think the word dork is bad. I'm trying to re-claim that word for dorks everywhere! Dorks Unite<cue uplifting "marching band type" music>

Band with me my brothers!

Ok...I'm done now.
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Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 14, 2002, 08:35:55 PM
Awwww, I feel better now.  :-*

It's not so much that I don't like the word, per se... it's that the word is used by so many with a negative connotation.  As much as I read you say it means something good to you, it is hard for me to get past the malalicious intent with which it is often associated.

Anyway, I think we both agree that (for whatever reason) Ben is the shit.  And in this case, naturally, shit has a positive connotation.  Have a great time tomorrow night - woo!
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Chanting Mantis on March 15, 2002, 10:12:23 AM
Hey did you just call Ben shit!

After all he's done for you!

Now them's fightin' words.

;D
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Jane_Be_Jane on March 15, 2002, 03:21:27 PM
I'm an over-analyzer, not a fighter.  ;)
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: Ben_Folds_Fan on March 16, 2002, 10:49:06 PM
THE shit, as opposed to shit.
Title: Re: "Something Different"
Post by: yomo on March 17, 2002, 12:57:18 AM
I think Ben was probably just not a "cool" kid in school. (he he) Not a nerd...exactly. I got picked on severly in school but I'm not a "nerd." I'm just different I guess. (wait...this isn't about me...get back on topic damnit!) sorry, thinking out loud. Ben's music just draws people in that never fit a stereotype or a typical social group. I think that has to do with his personality. He's a great guy. I'd do 'em. ;)