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General Board / BF5 Live 1997 JBTV on YouTube
« on: December 04, 2013, 11:14:23 AM »
The majority of this show from 1997 was put on Youtube last year or so.
I've never seen it anywhere before but it's very awesome and the guys are hilarious (esp. Underground & Darren w/ this toy guitar). They look like their having a lot of fun.

Musical discovery / PARKS (my band!)
« on: July 09, 2013, 07:57:54 AM »
Long time poster here in Boston but wanted to send you fine folks my band Parks' two tunes.
We're releasing a 7" vinyl single this Saturday actually at Brighton Music Hall (Boston).

Kinda Vampire Weekend/Spoon-ish but catchier!
Czech em' out!

General Board / Never Seen Before 1996 "Philosophy" Clip
« on: January 07, 2013, 12:20:34 PM »
Maybe this is new to me but here's a video of the guys in 96 on some Dutch TV show performance. The quality is amazing!
They're so young!

Tour Board / Re: Boston, MA - 10/13/2012
« on: October 15, 2012, 05:25:41 AM »
FANTASTIC show. Ben seemed a little hesitant in talking to the crowd. More subdued than usual for some reason. Either way, Robert and Darren seemed geniuinely happy to be playing these songs again. It was one of the best shows I've seen from any band in the past 5 years. SEE THIS TOUR.

Album Board / Retrospective Liner Notes
« on: September 26, 2012, 10:50:34 AM »
Hi - I bought the 3-disc retrospective from Amazon and it didn't come with any liner notes. Is there a PDF or anything of it?
I really want to see Ben's track-by-track comments etc.

News / Re: Ben Folds: "What I Know About Women"
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:45:11 AM »
What "stalker" thing are you talking about?

News / Ben Folds: "What I Know About Women"
« on: September 20, 2012, 07:46:09 AM »
Great and insightful article albeit kind of a downer. Didn't know him and Fleur split : (

Album Board / Re: BFF album: complete
« on: August 30, 2012, 06:03:40 AM »
Can't post any of that info just yet and definitely can't rip a song! haha

No harm in trying, right?

Sky High is pretty cool. Darren's song and reminds me a little of Hotel Lights. Great lyrics and great vibe. No pun intended, but it "floats" with those 10cc-ish backing vocals.

The only track I'm not entirely in love with is the title track for some reason.
However, I threw the new "Tell Me What I Did" in my tracklist and it fits fantastic. Should have been on the album!
I still think "Hold that Thought" is my favorite. Really excited to hear what other people think about the record.

Album Board / Re: BFF album: complete
« on: August 29, 2012, 11:30:46 AM »
Totally agree about Reinhold.
Listening to the new one back to back with Reinhold and Ben's voice is so much lower these days - another big characteristic of their older stuff.
He's using different keys to write in as well.

I wish he'd come to the boards or someone would get a big interview with him about how his writing style has changed - if it indeed has besides less jazzier voicings...

Album Board / Re: BFF album: complete
« on: August 29, 2012, 08:17:27 AM »
I've heard the new record. I'm a journalist so don't ask me for any leaks etc. but I think everyone's gonna dig it.
It's definitely a mix of Ben's more recent solo efforts (as figured - they DID break up over ten years ago...) but it's awesome to hear the familiar rhythm section and the guys voices.

My favorites by far are ..
"...Michael Praytor" - great verses and great Sledge basslines/harmonies

"Draw a Crowd" is super catchy and starts with Jesusland-esque harmonies. Almost reminds me of "Your Redneck Past..." It's a fun one.

"Hold that Thought" reminds me of "Mess" but has an amazing twist towards the end. Very Reinhold...very BF5.  I almost like it more than "Mess." Would have fit great on "Reinhold..."
Lots of maj7s for the musicians out there.

"Thank You for Breaking My Heart" is a waltz-y ballad and is a little mysteriously beautiful (i.e. "Boxing"/"Selfless, Cold & Composed"). One of their best ballads.

Ben's at his best when he writes in jazzier voicings and that's a huge key to the 5's sound and why his solo stuff is so much different.
Needless to say, it's a great album but more of a grower/slow burner than anything they've done yet but I love it!

Transcription / Re: Doc Pomus Analysis...thoughts?
« on: November 05, 2010, 10:55:45 AM »
I could easily go off on one on these sorts of topics, and it's very easy to sound pretentious, which I don't think I am, so I'll do my best to keep this on the level. I should perhaps explain my background a bit. I've been playing piano for 24 years now (Writing that I suddenly feel very old). Something that inevitably occurs as you develop as a musician, or even as a listener of music, is a desire to seek out more complex, more interesting music. I liken it to seeking more complex books as your vocabulary develops. It also often leads to the shunning of simplistic music - which it shouldn't.

The reason the jazz and classical listeners often look down on pop music is because they see it as the musical equivalent of the 'My first ABC' type books. (Sorry to keep pulling out the literary analogies but I find it a useful reference that everyone knows about). A lot of (most?) pop is hideously simple rubbish hidden behind fabulous production.

What drew me to Ben Folds as a writer during the BFF years was the fact that he was using chords outside the norm of pop music, by which I mean diminshed chords (Boxing), augmented chords (Selfless, Cold and Composed), 13th chords (Underground), 7th with a flat 9 etc... and he was managing to make it sound accessible. He was shifting chords through unusual changes (Battle of Who Could Care Less is musically very unusual for pop). He was also using musical context to enhance the lyrical context, much like a classical composer would - uncomfortable chords under uncomfortable lyrics. 'Smoke', for example, doesn't actually reach the root chord until the chorus. The entire verse drifts, like smoke, on IV, V and III. Ben may not even have done that on purpose but to me as a developing musician I found it fascinating. Combining all of the above is not an easy thing to do. Anyway, it was clear to me that he was a very musically literate writer and provided a proof to me that pop music not need stick to simplistic vocabulary.

Ben is still a very good, intelligent, song writer. 'Belinda' brilliantly emulates the 70s style of songwriting. It's full of chord inversions, uses the 7th note in the bass at one point, and utilises the IV/V (F/G type) chord which Bill Bailey refers to as the 'smug' chord. But without having played so many 70s songs I wouldn't know the typical structures. So, I'm still drawn to his work, but less of his music hits the mark for me these days. I'm enjoying Lonely Avenue a lot more that I did Songs for Silverman or Way To Normal. Perhaps I've moved on as a musician myself these days and am looking for other things (Crazy time signatures are a favourite :-) ). Maybe I've learned to chill out and not be bothered by it and just enjoy music for its own sake. Who knows.


Having said all that I always have to remind myself that music is for everyone. Keeping on the book theme - I'm 32 and very much enjoy reading 'My first ABC' to my son. His picture books still make me smile. The most important thing is do YOU like it?

What an un-necessarily long, rambling post that went WAAAAAYYY off your question. Sorry about that. :-) In short, you're right. Pop music doesn't have to be stupid or patronising to be accessible. Some of it is downright genius. John Mayer is another good example of a popular artist writing very intelligent pop. What a shame it's so rare.

So in answer to your question I'd stick with what you're happy with if I were you. Doc Pomus is a good song with a little dash of musical brains and the story behind it only makes it stronger. It's one of my favourites on the album too.

I'll shut up now. :-)

EXACTLY - I've been saying this about Ben for years. Since the Five split, he hasn't been using these kinda chords anymore and spot on with John Mayer. His first album is genius and it's pretty bland boring stuff nowadays. Ben should check out this post...

Ben's Old Five / Re: Front to Back download?
« on: September 27, 2010, 08:22:51 AM »
I wonder if Ben knows what a piece of genius Messner is. It's just incredible. The band is amazing, the songs and the mood and all the crazy maj 7th chords and odd melodies.

General Board / Re: Oranjuly "10 out of 10 - Debut of the Year"
« on: September 22, 2010, 05:46:46 AM »
Awesome! Thanks! I really think people will like it. It has a LOT of twists and turns and surprises.

General Board / Oranjuly "10 out of 10 - Debut of the Year"
« on: September 21, 2010, 09:59:48 AM »
Hey everyone, long-time poster here.
Just wanted to let you know my band Oranjuly finally released our first LP and I think you'll like it (you obviously have good taste being here).
Really, really catchy, poppy stuff as I'm a huge Ben fan - the song Mrs. G is an homage of sorts...

Personally, I think he should take us on tour : )
The album has been getting a lot of 10 out of 10s and high praise, which is really great. We had a CD release show to 200+ people here in Boston. So much fun!

You can stream the whole thing at and on etc etc

Here's some press quotes! Hope you guys have a chance to listen as I really think you'll like it.


    Oranjuly’s impeccably crafted, unabashedly retro-minded debut has your name on it - The Boston Globe

    4 out of 5 stars. Oranjuly remind us just how right retro-fitted pop music can feel. –   The Boston Phoenix

    10 out of 10. The best power pop debut of the year. – Powerpopaholic

    10 out of 10. This is the best album I’ve received since working as a music journalist. – The Deli Magazine

    Oranjuly crafts beyond solid, guitar-pop pieces, drenched in harmonic complexity and crisp instrumentation. – Supertonic/Tea Party Boston

    Bring a copy to your next potluck barbecue—Oranjuly is nothing less than dessert. - Weekly Dig

    Destined to be one of our 2010 favorites. – Boston Band Crush

    Oranjuly has delivered once of the most impressive powerpop debuts in recent memory - Bill’s Music Forum

    Their brand of dreamy pop is reminiscent of Ben Folds Five with a little Weezer thrown in, and a little twist of their own. – Playground Boston

News / Ben to Keynote Nashville Recording Workshop
« on: February 16, 2010, 11:11:43 AM »
For you recording nerds : )

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