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Title: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 11, 2011, 04:17:12 AM
I am needing a place to talk about this show (like the groups. I'm vested now. Damn you Ben Folds for getting me attached to yet another hour long show on tv).


PS. I'm still pissed you're in Chuck's slot. (the show, not your brother.) This may mainly be fueled by my anger that the show is getting canned after this year. (Also, Chuck, not The Sing Off.) And I love that damn show. A shitton.

Anywho. I need to discuss groups and numbers and swan songs and blah blah blah blah blah. I do not need to discuss costumes, but if you need to here's the place. Yes/Yes? (note the no no option.)
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Andy on October 11, 2011, 04:22:04 AM
I've never seen the sing off, but I imagine that is it a lot like sumo wresting except it's two large female opera singers dressed as Valkyries who have to sing a sustained note so loudly the other gets blasted out of the ring.

That's my reality and I'm sticking to it.

~A
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Ben_Folds_Fan on October 11, 2011, 07:07:00 AM
Very surprised that Sonos is gone so soon.  I have heard their J5 before on xm50 and last night's version was a pale comparison to what they are capable of.  But based on the critiques, it was not surprising to see them go.  Also, that probably made the producers happy since Barellies and they had worked together before and now they don't have the conflict of interest.

The old guys did a great job last night.  And are much better than last season's old guys, who really were just a support group for the one lead singer.

I look forward to their merging of the two "halves" of the season into a single show.  Perhaps next week now that we are down to 10?
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on October 12, 2011, 12:03:44 PM
I look forward to their merging of the two "halves" of the season into a single show.  Perhaps next week now that we are down to 10?

That's what they said in the promo for next week.  I'm excited.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Kyle on October 12, 2011, 12:08:43 PM
I hate that it has been two hours long.  It is too long.  But, Ben has been on his game this season.  Funny and insightful.  He seems very comfortable as a judge now and his personality has shown through more.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on October 12, 2011, 12:10:50 PM
I hate that it has been two hours long.  It is too long.  But, Ben has been on his game this season.  Funny and insightful.  He seems very comfortable as a judge now and his personality has shown through more.

Yeah, but it's always been 2 hours, and depending on what you want to listen to, you can get through it DVR'ed in just over an hour or so.  Season 1 and 2, I only listened to the music and Ben, and it was probably an hour or so...
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AliKat4392 on October 12, 2011, 04:25:39 PM
My favorites are the Yellowjackets and the Dartmouth Aires. I always love the goofy all-male groups. Although, no one will ever live up to the Beelzebubs.

Also, can we discuss Nick Lachay's annoying sideways head tilts?
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 12, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
Also, can we discuss Nick Lachay's annoying sideways head tilts?

Yes. So long as we can discuss his AWFUL puns. :D


Speaking of all male groups I do really like Vocal Point and the Aires.

I was so thrilled to hear Ben mention Jesus Christ Superstar during the Aires' Pinball review. Because I was just waiting for the lead (Micheal?) to go; "listen jesus, do you care for your race? don't you see we must keep in our place. we are occupied. have you forgotten how put down we arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRreeeeeeEEEEeeeee " etc... etc.. etc... Believe me, I can keep going. ugh. I freaking love that damn show. (Superstar here)


On a random sidenote. I feel like The Sing Off should have some rules. It just weirds me out that, REALLY, people make it on the next year too? I like Delilah, don't get me wrong. But... doesn't seem fair. ALSO. What was with sonos singing a Boys II Men song as their swan song? It makes me want to hear Don't Change Your Plans or Gone, or some Ben song as a Swan Song. Just saying.....

I am also very impressed with North Shore this year. First time I think an "older" group has a fighting chance. Last year was just carried by Nichole, I felt like.

Speaking of, Nichole who? Sure Sara's still finding her voice as a judge.... but she's not just talking about how cute the boys are on stage.

And yes. I agree, Ben's really coming as a judge. I love that no one is mean on the show, but they ALL finish with "great job," "still solid" etc...

Also. I know the judges are fans of Ruby from The Collective. Meh. I like Rachel's voice better. I can't imagine listening to a whole 45 minute cd of Ruby. She does sing well, don't get me wrong... but that voice is just so distinct and a little too gravely? harsh? whatever that is, for me to want a whole cd.




Also. Bubs just released a CD: http://blog.acappellarecords.com/2011/10/beelzebubs/ SAME DAY AS BEN. How thrilling. So did Ben Lee. (Which reminds me. I NEED TO GO TO A RECORD STORE ON MY DAY OFF)


AND if you haven't gotten Street Corner Symphony's cd (came out two weeks ago) GET IT TODAY. It's great. It's got Soul Sister and Down on the Corner from the show... but there's a good amount of originals! And Jeremy, surprisingly, does not sing lead on even 50% of them. It's great to hear everyone..... but I might need to find me a Jeremy Lister cd. fangirl alert! But it's one of those weird good problems. It's like Scott vs Seth Avett. You can't go wrong. And you're not unhappy about whichever one is singing lead.... even if you have a favorite. (PS. It's totally Seth, but I love Scott too)
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Andy on October 13, 2011, 12:59:47 AM
So if a foreigner was going to watch ONE episode of this, which one should it be?

I ask because a friend...

~A
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Kyle on October 13, 2011, 04:28:50 AM
Watch the season premiere.  It has all the groups, its pretty easy to tell who is good and who is not, and Ben is on his A game in it for sure.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on October 13, 2011, 06:42:38 AM
Watch the season premiere.  It has all the groups, its pretty easy to tell who is good and who is not, and Ben is on his A game in it for sure.

The season premiere only has half the groups...
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 13, 2011, 11:17:26 AM
Hell, Andy, I'd watch the finale of last year. If this clip doesn't convince you; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYyJ0YT087A I may rethink our friendship.

Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS2eJRjx7Cg&feature=related  or SCS and Ben (you can tell ben needs/wants his piano though): http://youtu.be/Eh7xZNJ1IMw


OKAY. I'm a SCS Groupie. I really think if they'd waited a year and were on this year's show they'd blow the roof of the place. Committed and SCS are leaps and bounds ahead of any of this years groups. In potential mass commercial success.

Andy - this is last year's winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIPRCcZ1ijU You'll get how they won America's vote. I mean. I understand 100% why they won. This song I believe cemented it. And it was episode 2. This also has ben, shawn and BOO nicole, commentary.



This is from this year, if you want to see the judges actually. http://youtu.be/vZCw8EB7AvA


ALSO. Andy, Ben's most quotable comment on The Sing-Off to date. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCFJclG7KV4
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AliKat4392 on October 13, 2011, 05:37:09 PM
On a random sidenote. I feel like The Sing Off should have some rules. It just weirds me out that, REALLY, people make it on the next year too? I like Delilah, don't get me wrong. But... doesn't seem fair.

Agreed. I think it's ridiculous how many groups there have been that were formed specifically just to compete on the sing-off. That's not what the show should be about.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on October 15, 2011, 07:34:34 PM
I only watched the past couple seasons intermittently, but I've seen every episode of this season thus far, and I've definitely enjoyed it.  I actually find myself getting some of the songs stuck in my head.  I think Afro-Blue's performance of American Boy is my favorite one so far.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 18, 2011, 10:57:03 AM
godd*mn THAT'S SOME FUNKY SHIT.





anyone? I was in hysterics watching Ben on tv last night.


And I'm sad to say the decisions were accurate last night. North Shore should have never switched songs. I figured they would run in to a problem eventually with no new sounds/not pushing themselves, etc, etc.... surprised it was top 10 not top 6/4 or so. But they faltered last night.

I also felt bad for The Deltones. Their lead girl, Courtney? if she'd found that twang she used on both songs last night throughout and were the more country group all along and had time to really grow that? I think they'd have been more competition. But seriously, the four other groups in their half? No questions. Afro-Blue being a bottom two just because of lacking some "meat." When they so consistently are so inventive? That says something. I hope the groups stack a bit differently next week cause I don't think Penatonix, Vocal Point and Urban Method should all be against each other. As much as I love the Aires and the Yellow Jackets they have got their work cut OUT for them. And Delilah came out of the gate gunning and need to get their shit together, or else they're gone. Bottom two two weeks in a row? You gotta see that as a sign.







Straight out of in-school suspension, FOOL.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AliKat4392 on October 18, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
Yeah, I'm ready for Delilah to leave. Not a fan of all-girl groups.
I LOVED the Yellow Jackets performance even though I was really not expecting to because I don't care for the Spice Girls and especially hate that song. They really made it their own though, and it was awesome.
I agreed with the eliminations, although I wish they did them all at the end so every group had more of a fair shot. The eliminations might have been different if they were grouped differently and I don't think that's fair.
Ben was on fire. He owns this show.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on October 18, 2011, 07:31:38 PM
So, was this the first time that a Sing Off group covered a song that Ben's covered (Video Killed the Radio Star)?
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on October 18, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
godd*mn THAT'S SOME FUNKY SHIT.

Yeah my first thought was like "Wait a minute... how is this going to end?"  Didn't finish it... good call, haha.

Surprised Afro-Blue was bottom-two'd, I thought that was a good performance -- maybe it was sort of a wake-up call to not get too complacent or something ?

Also kinda surprised Delilah made it again... it seems the judges like to use projection as a means for staying on the show, and IMO each of one their performances has been weaker than the last...


Also thought this was interesting.... Somebody tweeted it to ben:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UxrSgxcebA&t=1m37s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UxrSgxcebA&t=1m37s)

Watch the bracelet randomly move up and down on the mic-holding hand.  Very strange ???
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 18, 2011, 11:38:27 PM
So, was this the first time that a Sing Off group covered a song that Ben's covered (Video Killed the Radio Star)?
It's the only time remember. Unless someone had Golden Slumbers somewhere? I don't really remember much of season one, except Magical Mystery Tour and Down. Oops.


That bracelet thing is weird. I'll give you that. But tv filimg is a world I know zero about. That being said... Courtney (?) is a great vocalist and I understand that group's appeal. They've got some fantastic singers. I think it's time to break free of a cappella for them. Sad to say. But most members of that group have been on the show before. That doesn't seem fair. Despite the fact I like Kendall a lot.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: zinefiend on October 19, 2011, 05:45:51 AM
I totally flipped out when North Shore said they were doing Hanson at first.  Disappointed they didn't.  I was rooting for those grandpaps. 

The group I'm rooting now for is Afro-Blue.  I"m really digging their arrangements and jazziness. 

One group that totally turned me off the first episode but has sense won me over is Urban Method.  I though the whole "oooo, we have a rapper! rapapella!" was gimmicky, but they proved they have some serious chops in the 60s challenge.  And then this week, they blew the roof off the place with that Bel Biv Devoe cover.  (never thought I'd ever say the words "blew the roof off" and "Bel Bic Bevoe" in the same sentence)   
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Ben_Folds_Fan on October 19, 2011, 07:40:01 AM
Surprised Afro-Blue was bottom-two'd, I thought that was a good performance -- maybe it was sort of a wake-up call to not get too complacent or something ?

Not necessarily bottom-two'd.  As in most contests like this, the host says things like "the first group that is safe" which isn't the same thing as saying "the group that finished first".  I think the only thing that is certain is that whoever gets eliminated was last.  The ordering of the surviving groups?  Don't think we know.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: ahoybobby on October 22, 2011, 03:04:21 PM
Hey do you think Ben has offered to sell "Girl" to Nick Lachey?
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: TrashSpork on October 22, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
Hey do you think Ben has offered to sell "Girl" to Nick Lachey?

Anything is possible
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AliKat4392 on October 25, 2011, 11:08:19 AM
Ahh! I love that they did an actual sing-off! Incredible idea, I hope they continue to do this. Brings new meaning and excitement to the show!
So glad that they saved the Yellow Jackets! Disappointed in Ben though!
Dartmouth Aires are definitely my favorite now, I absolutely loved their performance tonight and every other one too. I used to be tied with Yellow Jackets but they keep doing songs I hate!!
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 25, 2011, 11:25:37 AM
What do you guys think of the change in the game?

I like that they actually sing off against each other.

I am not sure that the decision should be announced the way it was. It was a bit odd. I, do, however, think the judges in the end made the right call. Sure the collective had maybe some less issues with pitch and the actually SINGING part.... but they had issues with the acappelling part. I think that they were starting to get it.... but not fast enough to keep up with everyone else. Also. I thought the Yellowjackets singoff song was better. They had more dynamics in that then they did in their actual competition song. Therefore I felt the tie should go to them. Good call judges. I loved Ben's picture of The Collective at his house (assuming) last night. Cute. That would be hella awkward, I would think. Sitting in the living room (whoever's it is) with someone who critiqued you on stage a few months back.... ah well, at least they weren't at Sara's house. Haha


Seven groups left. This is getting tough. I do expect the Yellowjackets to go home next. They have heart. Sure. But musically they need to preform on their A+ game from here on out to prove they should stay. And they need other groups to not.
Delilah returned to form last night. And if they continue to do so they could easily return to that threat I thought they were going to be.
Penatnoix and Urban Method- seriously, I don't expect either group to go home early. They're both too original. I just hate that they keep pinning them against each other. I suppose then someone would be up against AfroBlue. Who, so long as they did what they did last night week after week, I expect them to sail right to top 4.
Vocal Point and the Aires are both proving what the Bubs did season one. There IS a place for male college acappella groups in this competition. And I think BOTH do it better than the Bubs did that first season. Aires are a little bit more Bubby in the sense of cheesey choreography... however. Micheal and that other lead guy (shoot, name is forgotten) are better than the Bubs' leads. Vocal Point had their first miss-step last night. And it was hard to notice with Ben (not folds) crying on stage. I would have tuning issues then too.

Anyway. As I see it the top four is really a race for the final spot. I suppose it all matters on who ends up in which brackets, but Afro Blue, Penatonix and Urban Method, I feel are all doing things so original and have such a distinct self sound that they should fly right to the top three. We've got three college groups left. There will only be place for one of them in the finale. And that's if Delilah doesn't use their lady-nads and shove 'em all out the way. WOULDN'T That be something. A Female winner. Not even a group. There just has not been a woman on the winning group yet. Nor in the top two.  Nota vs Bubs and Committed vs Street Corner. The only all male groups left are the ones I expect to have the most risk of going home.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on October 26, 2011, 11:05:48 AM
Yeah, I like the new wrinkle too.  The groups are all so talented at this point that they deserve that type of second chance.  Agree that Yellowjackets deserved it based off that.

Also agree with your predicted Top 3, but things have been kinda crazy so far, so an earlier exit by one of those groups wouldn't surprise me too too much (though it would anger me haha).  Pentatonix, they didn't really register for me at first, but they've definitely come along and made themselves a real contender.  When I think about what group I'd be most likely to listen to an album by, it's probably them and Afro-Blue.

Vocal Point to me is a step above the other all male groups too.  The Aries and 'Jackets are good, but nothing either of them has done so far can stand up to Jump Jive and Wail and that Sinatra song VP did
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on October 26, 2011, 11:17:29 AM
I'm with you on Vocal Point being the top contender. I just love Micheal from the Aire's voice. Probably because it is so Broadway feeling. I seriously want to see the guy as Judas in a production of Jesus Christ Superstar. He reminds me so much of Carl Anderson (RIP).

And, yes, the two groups I'd buy a record from are the same. I'd be happy with either group winning.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: franknbeans120 on October 26, 2011, 07:39:50 PM
One thing I have noticed about this season as opposed to the last is that it took me longer to pick a favorite. With season 2, I immediately fell in love with Streetcorner Symphony on the premiere and continued to love them. And they were the runner up. I can agree with the fact that The Yellow Jackets will go home next. I like Vocal Point a lot but my love for them has waned a little. I didn't like Pentatonix nor Afro-Blue in the beginning but they are both really growing on me, especially Pentatonix. They are my favorite right now. They had my full attention from the beginning with both "Video Killed the Radio Star" and "Love Lockdown." I didn't like Afro-Blue's first performance on the premiere but they seem to keep getting better with every performance. I like the Aires and Delilah I just don't think they will make it to the finale. Clark from the Aires cracks me up because he's just so fabulous. However, I'm open to the possibility of being wrong. I'm not a fan of hip-hop at all so I do not like Urban Method. I give them props for being original though; however, I feel its a little too gimmicky and I think they will have a hard time breaking out of their rappapella gimmick. But it could be an advantage to them. I agree somewhat but think the top 3 will be Vocal Point, Afro-Blue, and Pentatonix. And I'm assuming the finale will be voted by viewers my guess is close race between Afro-Blue and Pentatonix. It's still too early to predict a winner yet.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AliKat4392 on October 26, 2011, 08:17:53 PM
I was really put off by Urban Method's arrogance this past episode. I'm not really under the impression that what they do is so original and revolutionary. They're convinced that they invented "rap apella." Well, I've heard plenty of a capella groups rap before. It's really not that unusual. And they were absolutely convinced that they were going to own this round because no one else could do it better. Well, they were proven wrong!
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on October 31, 2011, 08:02:26 AM
Ben is really slackin' on his sing-off blog haha
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on October 31, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
What's up with the YellowJackets?  Their "sing-off" song and their swan song were their two best performances on the show IMO.  Ben gave them the "find your unique sound" kiss of death, but Tubthumping sounded more like the YJ's than anything else they'd done previously -- where was that before?  Kinda frustrating in that sense.

I've sorta been souring on Urban Method recently.  I thought their medley tonight was the weakest of all the groups, and like others here have said, they were out-hip hopped last week by groups who don't even claim it as their calling card.  'Dance To The Music' remains one of the highlights of the season, but at this point to me they're running on borrowed time.

I was surprised Sara was the only one who commented on the wonkiness of Delilah's middle song (unless Ben and Shawn did too and it was edited out for time), because that stood out to me and I thought it'd get them in more trouble than it did.  That being said, if they handle their country song well, I feel like they have a good shot at advancing past the next episode because they can just have Amy Lynn rock the sh*t on the rock song.  At least I assume that's what they'll do -- that makes the most sense to me.

Oh, and I don't think the "over-arranging" criticism of Afro-Blue was valid this week.  On 'Heard it through the Grapevine" sure, I agreed with it there, but you can't on one hand tell groups to "find their unique voice" then on the other hand criticize them for doing just that, especially when it's executed well.  Just kinda bugged me.


(And the opening medley was pretty awesome.)
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 01, 2011, 04:48:12 AM
I think I agree with you 98%. If not more. Totally agreed on YJ. They sing best when they're cornered. I wish they could have tapped in to that better/earlier. But that being said, they were the last of the groups without a KBLAM You know which group I am right off the bat left. It's why The Deltones are gone...


And I think on that same tangent, with Afro-Blue, the problem that the judges are trying to identify with the group is that they - the group - and likely the judges and half the people on this message board are SO musically talented and intelligent that sometimes it's almost like they're speaking French to someone who can't speak French. Parlez-vous francais?? Because I get what they're saying. I haven't had a music lesson of any kind since I was 12? f*ck if I can read music. f*ck if i know half the terminology Ben uses on this damn show! But I can sense when it works, when it's flat/sharp/pitchy, etc. I may not know modulations (then again, all my friends in HS were band-geeks, so some of it may have rubbed off).... but I can tell when they're speaking French to me. (Despite, the real life fact that I do speak French.) They're problem is that they're OVER thinking. They're fantastic, don't get me wrong... but I don't want them to end up being the classical end of a cappella.... in the sense that "only" music people do classical. Also a generalization, but do you get what I mean? This is about selling records. Afro-Blue normally nails it. And they did tonight, but I lost some of their direction with the original this evening.

Delilah - I think their get out of Jail card is Amy. When she sings  and is near tears - she sells it. And sells it better than a lot of people I have seen. Their middle song was wonky. I normally like Kendall, and even though Ben gave her an A+, I didn't feel it at all tonight. Which pains me to say. Also, Urban Method... I thought they'd be a lock for the top four (as I said last week...) Tonight? I would, honestly, not have been TOO shocked if they'd went home. Mike is their strong point. I appreciated their attempt to show the girls.... but they don't have a strength there at all... Mike carries them. And their intelligence.

HOLY. SHIT. Dartmouth Aires. If Micheal doesn't end up with a musical career. The world is going to miss out. Seriously. That man (boy? He's only 21.... yeah, I twitter stalked him. haha) has SUCH a voice. I don't think I even have words. But if that man isn't singing in a band, a cappella group or on broadway so I can experience it for years to come.... I will frown. HARD. His voice and Scott from Penatonix are the two voices that pull me in like Jeremy from SCS's does. Compelling me to listen and totally forgetting that there's no band. That's not a band? What are you talking about?



If this post makes no sense I'm in the middle of a 50 hour work week and um, haven't slept since Sunday yet. DAMN YOU MONDAY TELEVISION.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 01, 2011, 09:35:42 AM
I can buy your interpration of the Afro-Blue thing.  It's a fine line to straddle in terms of making it your own and making the original unrecognizable, and that's the challenge they'll have to overcome if they want to win.

Might as well touch upon the other two groups at this ponit I guess.

Vocal Point -- Solid.  Just solid.  Do they have that extra element though to push them to the top to make a record?  At this point I'm inclined to say no, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they've been the most consistently sound group on the whole for the season thus far.

Pentatonix -- This one didn't quite grap me like some of their other performances, but it was still very good.  Kirstin has a good voice but it doesn't have that superstar qualtiy to it.  They're still the frontrunners for me, though things are still fairly wide open at this point.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 01, 2011, 11:32:43 PM
i'm glad you understand what I was trying to convey. That means my early morning ramblings were not for nothing.


Penatonix - I agree. Britney Spears medley, meh. That being said, they took some great risks. And didn't f*ck 'em up too much. Which is good.

Vocal Point, agreed. So hard.

Out at the bar tonight talking about The Sing Off. (Which in all categories is weird.) And heard more than once that people would not have been disappointed if Urban Method had gone home. I am really starting to evaluate if they do deserve a top spot. From here on out it is going to get REALLY rough with the cuts. Who do you think will go home next? I think it really matters who misses the mark the most. All of these groups left all are on par with each other. I think Pentatonix should be safe through most of the season cause they are so good/different. On the same not Urban Method neeeeeds to go back to their roots and just do what they DO. Otherwise, I think they will shoot themselves in the foot by trying too hard. Next week is has two songs. AND a country song, I think they will struggle the most. Everyone else should nail it.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: franknbeans120 on November 02, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
I think Urban Method should have went home this week. Admittedly, the YJs were not at their best but I think Urban Method was by far the worse of the two, but I also have never liked Urban Method and I agree that they will struggle with a country song but they will probably do rap-rock for their "rock" song. I agree Vocal Point was spot on and they have been consistently good the entire season. I loved Dartmouth Aires Queen medley but I also love Queen. I agree that Pentatonix were not as good  and wasn't as enchanting with their medley but not bad. I thought it was a little unfair to say that Kirsten didn't shine until this week. I think she adds so much texture do their songs being the only female vocalist in the group. I felt Delilah was good this week but not great. But I have a feeling they will show some "lady nads" for their country and rock songs. I'm not sure what to think of Afro-Blue at this point.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 08, 2011, 06:29:45 AM
Anyone else a little tense watching these now?  I guess I've become attached to the groups in such a way that I really don't want any of of them to seal their own fates by messing up badly.
Anyways, my Delilah prediction was half right.  They did have Amy Lynn rock the shit out of the first song.  I thought it was lame they made her sing into a fan, but what can ya (and she) do?  I didn't feel any of the criticisms the judges did on that song.  On the country one, yeah, you could hear some pitch issues, which is too bad, because they needed to be perfect to stay on.  Ah well. Sad to see them go still.  I feel like if they had one more member to fortify their low end it would've gone a long way in terms of arrangement strength, but then again, what do I know about a cappella? (admittedly not a ton).

Moving on....

Afro-Blue: I actually thought their first song was going to be the nail in the coffin.  Everything they were criticised for doing before, they did on that song.  Over-arranged (the national anthem thing was indeed brutal), which in part showed how disconnected they were to the song, which definitely came out in the performance.  Luckily for them, they had a good second song.  They can't afford any missteps next week if they wish to get in the final (I'm guessing) 4.

-Dartmouth Aires: Judges were spot on with the Broadway comparison (Michael obviously helps with that).  Their arrangements are solid enough that the showmanship and minimal mishaps could be enough to propel them to the final.  And I DO think that energy can translate to an audio recording.

-Vocal Point: They were good, but nothing really grabbed me like previous weeks have.  I think probably their weakest showing (maybe "less-strong" would be more appropriate as it was still good but not up to their standards) so far, even though that wasn't reflected in the judges comments (agree with Ben about the first song though).

Urban Method:  Good bounce back week.  They took a risk they needed to take with the rock song and it more or less payed off (for me).  The ladies (forgot the lead's name) surprisingly rocked the country song.  Where was that before?  With how the judges hold them, if they don't slip up they should make the Top 4 (though they're not in my top 4).

-Pentatonix:  Born to be Wild was my favorite song of the night.  Kevin and Avi are untouchable as far as rhythm sections go on the show.  Their coutnry song showed they can still be good without an intricate arrangement.  Solid.

Overall though, I think this episode had the least amount of songs I'd get on iTunes to listen to (which I've done for some previous episodes), though I think that's due to the fact that groups were singing out of their comfort zone.


Also, Ben was -on- last night.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 08, 2011, 12:35:44 PM
I agree. Espeically about being to vested. This is what happens now that the show is more than four or five episodes. Here we are in double the length of time... AND I CARE. I'm watching last night and actually sad for whoever would eventually be going home. And hoping beyond hope that the groups won't screw up. And then, what happens when someone will go home? It was frightening. And bad for four am (My sleep schedule is so screwed up. That's what happens when you work 3pm to 1 am).

I think based on last night the judges made the right call. And I mean, at this point, even though Afro-Blue had a misstep and Aires were a little off, you gotta send home the one that needed to claw their way to the top. Amy did sing the shit out of Dream On... however it still was just meh.

Urban Method came back with a vengeance. Which kind of upset me just for the fact that I'm so much more vested in the four other groups that remain outside of them.

It's funny that I say that, because I probably have three favorite voices... Scott from Pentatonix, Micheal (obviously), and McKay. Yet Afro-Blue as a set, usually, pulls me in. American Girl stunk. For them. The National Anthem? Okkkkaaay. I value their choice made, but not how it was executed. I think the judges finally were able to say what they've been trying to say since the get go with the overthinking. They did have a slam dunk with Need You Now. So thank god for that.

I am so upset to think of anyone going home at this point. Outside of Urban Method. But if they do next week what they did this week. AHHH. Who will go home? Next week is going to be brutal. BRUTAL.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on November 08, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
Calling Pentatonix, The Dartmouth Aires, and Urban Method as the last three groups, assuming we lose one each week and then the finale in 3 weeks.

All three of them are so damn good, and their weak points are stronger than the other groups' strong ones.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AlexKintzle on November 09, 2011, 08:38:55 AM
I want Pentatonics GONE. same with urban method.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 09, 2011, 11:59:48 AM
David - will they do an elimination on the 21st? I wonder. Cause if the 28th is the live finale? Last year the finale had four groups, didn't it?
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 09, 2011, 12:32:33 PM
David - will they do an elimination on the 21st? I wonder. Cause if the 28th is the live finale? Last year the finale had four groups, didn't it?

I was wondering about that too.  Last season that's what they planned on doing, but then they did a "fake out" thing of sorts at the end of the episode and kept 4 groups on for the finale.  I don't think there's a ton of discrepency between the groups left after Pentatonix, so it'd be really tough to get it down to 4, let alone 3 IMO, but I don't think they can do a fake-out thing two seasons in a row.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on November 09, 2011, 05:18:02 PM
I seriously don't see Afro Blue or the Mormons as anything the judges think will make it to the last episode.  And yeah, last year they admitted to giving in and letting America decide, but this year I don't see that being an option.  

I want Pentatonics GONE. same with urban method.

I hate you sometimes.  

Something with more substance: They are the only two groups that are doing a *good* job of actually doing interesting things with their songs.  The Dartmouth Aires get a pass because they're amazing at doing things greatly, even if they're doing more strict covers.  Don't get me started on how unbelievably wretched Afro Blue's American Girl was and the Mormons are flat-out boring (their "country" song was a not very countryish cover of a rock song).
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: zinefiend on November 09, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
I want Pentatonics GONE. same with urban method.

THANK YOU.  I thought I was the only person on earth that didn't like Pentatonix.  I thought it was one of those human deficiency things I tend to have with... eh, pretty much everything in life.  I dug their Britney medley, but that's been it so far. 

Urban Method has very slowly won me over ("Poison" sealed it for me), but I'm not too terribly attached to them.

I'm still rooting for Afro Blue.  I'd love to hear any album of theirs, whether it'd be jazz standards or modern songs.  I dug American Girl because it made me like a Tom Petty song, which is a pretty huge feat.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 10, 2011, 06:17:12 AM
I seriously don't see Afro Blue or the Mormons as anything the judges think will make it to the last episode.  And yeah, last year they admitted to giving in and letting America decide, but this year I don't see that being an option.

Are you referring to the finales?  I thought the previous two were both decided by 'merica voting, but last year they felt they couldn't make that last call to cut it down to three, so they elected to keep 4.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Ben_Folds_Fan on November 10, 2011, 07:38:22 AM
David - will they do an elimination on the 21st? I wonder. Cause if the 28th is the live finale? Last year the finale had four groups, didn't it?

TVGuide.com says that the episode on the 21st is titled "America Votes" and describes the top four groups as competing.

Not entirely helpful, so I went to the craptastic NBC website that not only takes forever to load but then has conflicts with settings where I try to click on a link to win tickets to the Live Finale.  Thinking of course that might mention WHEN said finale was to take place.  NOPE.  No such luck.

Maybe Allison should tweet Ben and ask him.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on November 10, 2011, 03:42:44 PM

I'm still rooting for Afro Blue.  I'd love to hear any album of theirs, whether it'd be jazz standards or modern songs.  I dug American Girl because it made me like a Tom Petty song, which is a pretty huge feat.

The thing is, it's like Ben said, their version of American Girl was damn near the same as Petty's, except when they thought it would be cute to put the national anthem in.  It doesn't even kind of fit there, aside from the word American.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you liked that song, maybe you should listen to more Tom Petty.  Wildflowers is one of my all time favorite albums.

David - will they do an elimination on the 21st? I wonder. Cause if the 28th is the live finale? Last year the finale had four groups, didn't it?

TVGuide.com says that the episode on the 21st is titled "America Votes" and describes the top four groups as competing.

Not entirely helpful, so I went to the craptastic NBC website that not only takes forever to load but then has conflicts with settings where I try to click on a link to win tickets to the Live Finale.  Thinking of course that might mention WHEN said finale was to take place.  NOPE.  No such luck.

Maybe Allison should tweet Ben and ask him.

I'm confused, then.  Didn't they say, this week, that the finale is in 3 weeks?  And we've got 5 groups left...
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 11, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
Hm. Maybe at the end of the second-to-last episode, the voting is open.... and then a week later the finale is more of a celebration thing of sorts, with a bunch of performances from the finalists and previous contestants, etc. with the total results revealed at the end.  That's my guess if the TVguide is to be believed.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 12, 2011, 02:07:24 AM
Hm. Maybe at the end of the second-to-last episode, the voting is open.... and then a week later the finale is more of a celebration thing of sorts, with a bunch of performances from the finalists and previous contestants, etc. with the total results revealed at the end.  That's my guess if the TVguide is to be believed.

That's how it's been in years past. Each of the last three groups gets a judge to perform with, historically speaking. It'll be interesting to see how they pair that up. Last year Sara was the guest for The Backbeats as the fourth judge in a way. I should have seen that as foreshadowing. HAHA

And I thought, David, that Nick said that the finale is on the 28th. So we eliminate down from five to four on the 14th. And from four to three on the 21st and we as america vote until the 28th for the finale, the finale is the only show that is live.

I did enter to win tickets. AHAHA. I hope I'm off of work that day.... even if it's just to watch it on my TV. :D

As for Alexis and Alex hating on Pentatonix.... I have no words. I got buckled in the bandwagon after Love Lockdown. That Avi and Kevin are phenomenal, I just don't understand not liking them. Then again I didn't like Voices of Lee two years ago and they went all the way to the finale if memory serves.


I cannot imagine who the top three are going to be at this point. I kept picking top four, but yes as someone said earlier and reminded me last year they faked us out and kept all four and didn't do an elimination one night. At this point I am ready for America to vote between all five remaining groups. I am way too attached to these groups.


ALSO. Any one see the preview for next week?! I am worried about the Aires given the way they cut the ad! Then again, I would not reaaaaaallly be surprised, despite being heartbroken, if they went home this week. Micheal and Brendon are who sell that group. They have issues keeping the pace. They have issues with their low end, etc... More issues than say oh, Vocal Point? Or, say, Pentatonix.

I also think Afro Blue, despite loving them as well, have to play carefully. As does Urban Method. We'll have to see how they do R&B week.

Is there only one performance this week? It seems weird with only five groups left to only have one performance a piece.... Unless this week also has judge's choice? Unless that's next-next week? I hope they didn't get rid of that category. Down on the Corner by SCS last year was per.fect.ion.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: franknbeans120 on November 13, 2011, 10:51:31 PM
I will have to watch the finale on hulu I work second shift :(.

Anyway I too love Pentatonix. I really liked their Video Killed the Radio Star. I agree with Allison, Love Lockdown sealed it for me. Admittedly I didn't like them at first but now they are my favorite this season. I really liked their Born to be Wild and Stuck like Glue. I can't  remember who said it but it showed they can strip down a song and be beautiful.

I like Vocal Point and I feel they have been spot on the entire season. They are the only one I've liked since the premiere. They are certainly entertaining. I feel similarly about the Aires. I feel both of the groups energy may be a downfall as it was to On the Rocks last year. But overall I think the Aires have better lead singers but I like Vocal Point as a whole better. I think part of it has to do with I think there are 15 or so Aires and 9 in Vocal Point. In other words its a little too much going on with the Aires.

I have never liked Urban Method and was actually disappointed at their success on the country and rock songs. I was anticipating their failure. I want them to go home but they will probably do well with an R&B song.

I really thought Afro-Blue should have went home this week their American Girl was atrocious and they continue to do what they are told to stay away from, they are so good but they just are stubborn. I liked Delilah's performances this week. I think Afro-Blue will go home this week if they do their trademark over composing. But again they may succeed with an R&B song.

I think its too close to call who will get cut this week my guess is one of the college groups or Afro-Blue. I really think Pentatonix has a real shot at the finals if not winning the whole thing.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 14, 2011, 09:36:29 PM
Ok so.  Sad to see Vocal Point go.  I really am.  They're technically superior to Urban Method and the Aires (the latter which, let's be honest, even though it was Afro-Blue in the bottom two as well, it was between the two all-male groups).  However they haven't displayed an emotional connection to the song often enough, which is indeed important.  They should've had Mckay sing that second song.  Ben has a great voice, but it didn't fit the song, so I don't know why they chose that song/chose him to sing it.  Shame.  The only thing that kinda bugs me is that the judges never really hinted at the lack of connection to the song all that much throughout the season I felt, in terms of getting them in trouble that is -- then they get booted for it.  It didn't feel like they had enough advance warning (Aside from 'you really got me now') but oh well.  You could tell by the looks on their faces after the 2nd song that those comments were coming out of left field to them.  It was all positive and then BAM, one "slip up" and they were gone.  I still think they got the raw end of the deal.  That first song of theirs was siiiick, and showed why they deserved to be in the final four IMO.  "Vegas" can have heart too if done right, and they did it right.  It's not like they were robots on the stage or something.  Anyways, first judging decision I disagree with (and I guess the last, since no one else is getting eliminated haha).

And I don't know what the haters are seeing, but if Pentatonix doesn't win it would be a travesty.  They've consistently been good to great (mostly great) the whole season, and are a step above the remaining groups in both arrangement and execution.  They know when to spruce it up and when to keep it simple.  'Merica (or the producers -- conspiracy!!) got it right the past seasons with Nota and Committed, so let's hope that continues.  Fingers crossed.

Urban Method's first song didn't really do it for me (again) but I enjoyed the second performance.  They're at their best when they're freaking out (reminded me of Dance to the Music, which was a good one).  When they're on they're great, but they're too inconsistent.

And I'm not sure what to think of Afro-Blue at this point.  They never really regained the momentum they had from earlier in the season.  I think all the mixed signals from the judges (or failure to communicate what they wanted, etc.) has kinda zapped their confidence, which in turn has taken away from their identity in the performance and arrangement.  And now at the end of this episode they all of a sudden say "bring more 'Afro-Blue' into the performance"?  Yikes.  A little late for that, right? With one episode and change left, I'd be kinda pissed if I were them.  Like I said before (this is to -you- Allison, hahah), I got what the judges were saying that one time in over-thinking the arrangement, but I think on the whole their message hasn't been clear enough and it has hurt more than it has helped.  I understand they have a hard job, but still.  I feel like maybe they were "over-thinking" the critiques a bit (irony! hah).

And what else to say about the Aires.  Although they might as well be renamed "Michael and the Aires: (from Dartmouth)!"  He alone has taken them to the top 4, which is quite the accomplishment.  Not that they're not good (they are), but his willingness to tap into the song is what has vaulted them past (who should now be a slightly confused) Vocal Point to the final four.  I never got the feeling they could win, and still don't (they're just not solid enough as a group) but they've been -just- good enough to squeak on through, and hopefully they give us some more good performances to show that they deserved it.  \m/
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 14, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
I might as well make the most of this double post....

If Ben performs for the finale (and I think he will) what are the bets on the song with the group?  I'm going with

YDKM with Pentatonix (this makes the most sense to me)
or
Army with the Aires.  Would be sick to get the crowd involved with it.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 16, 2011, 12:04:49 PM
I agree with you on everything.


I was also surprised to see Vocal Point go. When I sat down to watch the show (this afternoon. just finished) I was expecting to be devastated losing Micheal and the Aires (from Dartmouth!). It was what I was expecting, previous to watching.

Having watched it....

I agree. Urban Method's first song? Meh. Especially to be named top 2. Anyway.... second song was better.

Pentatonix. There IS nothing to be said. I completely expect them to win.

Aires, Micheal is what saves them. I am glad they have learned to always feature him (at least it seemed so this week.) They said in earlier episodes that they always have try-outs for the lead.... This isn't a college performance anymore, guys. PICK your Man. I'm so glad he is thinking about music as a career, cause godd*mn it. He is a young Ben Vereen. Which. SHIT.   I cannot express anything more.

Afro-Blue, I was surprised by their performances this week. While watching I was expecting them to leave. Sad to say cause they do bring something different to the table (which is what ultimately probably saved them) but their second song had nothing to it outside of Danielle. Christie's lead on the first song left more to be desired as well. GRANTED it's a Whitney Houston song... and well. It's a hard song/big range.... honestly surprised that the leads weren't opposite.

Vocal Point. Their first number was phenomenal. AND YES. McKay SHOULD SHOULD SHOULD SHOULD SHOULD have sang the lead. Ben's got a great voice. BUT McKay's got that versatile sound. That grit that the judges (and I) were looking forward. That was a silly mistake. Honestly they probably would have been in the top 4 if they'd made that simple switch. It seems silly to say, but the only time they ever ran into trouble earlier in the season was Ben's lead on I'll Be Missing You. It's not time to try out a new lead. Especially with how solid that group is THE WAY IT WAS.






Then on potential winners. I expect Pentatonix to win. However, provided Micheal and the Aires complete this week I think they're a bigger force to be reckoned with. They've got the only competition to Pentatonix. THAT and they've got way more families to call up. Hahaha. They have never been in the bottom two.... Also I think it could have helped them to BE in the bottom two. Honestly if I was a judge last night I would have cried. I don't know what they could have done. And at this point when it comes to the record deal.... the four groups with the most potential to SELL records are left. It seems crazy, but Vocal Point probably had the least distinct features. They're great musically. Don't get me wrong at all.... and I was surprised that it was Afro-Blue's name read off as the safe group..

But                                  I get why the judges did what they did. Even if it sucks.











ALSO. THIS THIS THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu_juMyd87c&feature=related


SPEAKING Of Aires and Folds.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 18, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
Oh man.  I had no idea that video existed.  OK I retract my previous statement -- THAT makes the most sense now, haha.  Pretty good arrangment too, love what they did with the solo section. Though I imagine if they do end up doing that song they'll re-arrange it a bit, mostly 'cause that one is from 2008, and I'm sure they have almost all new members by now.

And one last rumination on all things Vocal Point.  I feel bad for Ben.  The two songs he sang lead on were the most criticized, but neither were his fault.  He just shouldn't have sang on Ain't Too Proud, and IMO he had a great lead on I'll Be Missing You, and most of the issues were with background harmonies if I recall correctly.  And the criticism for that one bugged me, as the judges mentioned the tuning issues as a result of *gasp* emotionally tapping into the song.  THEN  their next performance was a fun, slick a cappella clinic, and Ben (Folds this time!) said "You're back,"  Which to me, reallllly sent a mixed message when you consider why they were eliminated.  It seemed that other groups got more a free pass for problems from tapping into the song than VP when they did theirs.

And I have to bring this up too, haha.  Shawn Stockman posted this on his accesshollywood blog.  And I don't like it.

***"Case in "point", Vocal Point is an amazing group of guys from Provo, Utah that nailed predominantly EVERY performance! They were creative, fun to watch and the girls loved them. My only issue -- if you even want to call it that -- is their "front man" spot.
You really didn't have a stand out one or two guys who would have been the "face" of the group. Their cohesiveness was their gift and their curse, because to me there wasn't a person that distinctive from the unit! With all that being said, I still feel they have a shot at being amazing recording artists and performers. But if you compare them to the other groups in the competition, I think you will understand what it is I mean"***

First off, I don't even think that's true.  McKay and Jake are both fantastic leads with great (and distinct!) voices, and nailed everything they did.  Secondly, it shows more confusing ambiguity from the judges, as it seemed half the time they wanted groups to show "depth on the benches" and now apparently they boot a group for having too much depth,  despite the fact they have stand-out leads?  Do not like.  For what it's worth, they are my second most-downloaded group, and their stage energy absolutely translates to the audio experience.

And on the subject of comparing them to other groups on the show for reference, as Shawn says, who are Urban Method's stand-out leads?  Myke is their "frontman" and he's not even a singer.  And I know you feel despite everything that Urban are among the top 4 in terms of selling records, but I have to disagree, only if not for the facts that the internet produces, haha:  They have the least amount of followers on twitter among the top groups and groups that have been eliminated before them and least amount of youtube views.  And more importantly, their songs are among the least downloaded on itunes, again even compared to groups already eliminated.  That just doesn't scream "popularity" to me, though I guess if they were marketed correctly it could work.
--
But seriously, how is Urban Method still on?  Again, hip-hop week showed other groups can do what they do just as well, but they (Urban) have never shown the opposite, which is pretty damn important for this type of show.  I feel like they are getting a free pass as far as harmonies and singing arrangements go (coincidence that maybe their two best songs both feature next to no chord progressions in their original melodies?  I think not).  I was shocked Ben was the only one to even mention harmony issues in their first song this past week.  Why is this?  I thought the pitch issues were very evident and that was while watching the TV broadcast after the mix has been spruced up a bit.  They looked uncomfortable just to be, well... singing.  I'm starting to go crazy and am maybe wondering that the fact that their founder (I forget which one he is. Tony?) is close friends with a main producer of the show and they sang in an a cappella group together way back is why they're still around (though I don't realllly think that).  But I'm at a loss, and now have this (irrational?) fear of them winning it all.  

Oh and it kinda seemed in my last post I wanted VP over MatA (fD!), but really, UM, is who I thought should've been gone.  Or even A-B, who are coasting off previous performances, and pedigree rather than execution.  I really hope they have a good showing next week.  It's long overdue.

And sorry for another long-ass, long-winded post, haha.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 21, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Someone on FB made a comment that I think rings true. This season is Pentatonix's to lose. Show ended last week, they would have won. Show ended the week before that, they would have won. I'd say since Video Killed the Radio Star they've been the forerunners. Similar to Committed last year and Apologize. They are the ones that need to watch their backs - cause they've got the target.

And I agree about Urban Method. They show that they do their style really well. And Katie did do a decent job on country night.  But much of everything else they have struggled with. Or just turned it into a hip hop song.

However I think you're over-reading Shawn's post. Or at least I think I know what he means. Look at the other groups vs Vocal Point at this moment. Everyone has one, or two MAIN people. VP keeps trying to spread it along. I mean really we've given the Aires a nickname cause of Micheal. Sure Brendon (Branden? I don't remember) sings leads from time to time, and other people have beginnings of songs and ends of songs and middle parts and whatever, but if you were not watching it and you hear it you KNOW it's the Aires. VP is the one that the only time I really ever got that they were VP (and not just a gifted men's a cappella group) is when McKay was singing. It was great to hear Jake and Tanner and Ben and whoever ELSE they threw up there, but they didn't have McKay sing a song in how long?? Really on your two song nights at this point in the record selling game you gotta start having your distinguishable IMAGE.

Because don't get me wrong Vocal Point is brilliantly talented. And that's what has carried them to this point. They are so good at what they do, but we all know in the business it's about talent and image. And the judges are there to help us get to the three most marketable groups. Unfortunately I do think it's going to come down to Urban Method, Afro Blue and Pentatonix tonight. Despite the fact that I love love love the Aires and Micheal. Or Micheal and the Aires (from Dartmouth!). That being said the last four are the most marketable. It really matters who f*cks up the most tonight.

I watched the behind the scenes video on nbc, and it sounds like everyone's gunning for Pentatonix and the Aires, so perhaps I'm wrong a bit. I hope so. Afro Blue and I have fallen a bit out of love since American Girl, and I've never been a huge Urban Method fan....
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on November 24, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
I'm really confused by the love for Vocal Point.  They're possibly the most boring, bland group I've seen on the show.  Unless I'm misremembering Vocal Point being the Mormons.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AlexKintzle on November 24, 2011, 03:52:11 PM
I really liked vocal point.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 28, 2011, 07:48:35 AM
 

Yeah.  Don't get me wrong, I understand why they eliminated VP, but that doesn't mean that I agree with it on a personal level, haha.  But enough about that...

Color me surprised (whatever color that is anyway) they went with a Final 3.  I figured with more groups this season and the overall quality being better they woulda just made the 4-thing official. Oh well.  Speaking of those finalists...

The Aires' mastermix is exactly why I'm surprised they're in the finals.  There was really nothing bad about it, but there really wasn't anything good about it either, and that's the feeling I get from the majority of their arrangements.  Of course they owned the judges choice song (what a generous choice from them haha), even though I think Michael may have actually played it up a bit too much at some points.  That being said, I'm looking forward to Army (presumably).

Urban Method I thought actually did a good job with their mastermix.  It was one of their best arrangements of the season IMO.  But their judges choice song?  Completely underwhelming.  To me they're actually kinda boring when they're doing a hip-hop song -- it's much more interesting when they add that spin to, say, a White Snake song.  I know Ben thinks Myke is a star, but if I close my eyes I can't distinguish him from any of the numerous rappers out there.  And I know Katie has a good voice, but her rap-singing or whatever it was on that song was kind of annoying.  I can't believe Ben said that was his favorite performance of theirs for the whole season.

And by all accounts Pentatnox is far and away the most popular group on internet land, so if they don't win, the fix is in haha.

OH and I'm glad though that Sara mentioned the judges jerking Afro Blue around, and that Ben mentioned it in his blog: **"In short, I think the judges unwittingly asked them to dumb things down, and as a result, Afro-Blue became unfocused in the middle of the season and didn't always scan on TV quite as well as some of the others. But we knew what they were capable of and tried our best to navigate the integrity of the show, the entertainment value and our personal artistic tastes."**

Unwittingly describes it best, as there was clearly a lack of communication between the judges and the group, which is too bad, becuase A-B seemed to lose their mojo after it began.  Some of that needs to fall on Afro-Blue, but I still think the judges should've just let them do their thing and if they crashed and burned, then fine.  Too much of an emphassis was put on "connecting to the lyric" IMO, and I don't think it's something A-B even needed to do in order to survive (unlike D-A). American Boy didn't really connect to the lyric -- it was just a kick-ass arrangement and performance.  Case in point: their swan song was another killer arrangement that had that "pop" and jazz-swagger that their post 'lyric-connecting' songs were lacking.  Ah well.  Glad to hear that Ben may be inviting them to his studio to record at some point.  I hope that happens and they just let loose.

Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Andy on November 28, 2011, 07:56:51 AM
NBC told New Media Solutions to tell me to tell you to not forget that it's the Sing Off Finale tonight.

Don't forget.

They also sent a video: http://www.nbc.com/sing-off/video/season-finale-preview/1369756
I don't know if it's any good because it doesn't work in the UK. At least I assume it doesn't. I didn't try.

~A
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Andy on November 28, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
Correction: I did try and it and it does work.
Good heavens! Is this what y'all are watching?

~A
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: worldswillgrow on November 28, 2011, 06:03:07 PM
"THANK YOU 'MERICA!"
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 28, 2011, 07:20:15 PM
Yay Pentatonix!

Also Ben's latest blog post was pretty revealing.  I had no idea Afro Blue had lost their arranger for most of the season.  That does explain a lot, although I believe they arranged "Killing Me Softly" on their own, so clearly they still had the capability for solid stuff.  I also thought it was kinda lame how they basically manufactured drama for them (curse you reality tv! haha) but as Ben pointed out other groups were able to rise above it.  Them's the breaks I guess.

I think the Aires may have had the strongest night of all the finalists performing, though I enjoyed all of the performances.  Solid season overall -- we got some great performances from a lot of groups, more than we had in probably the first two seasons combined (I guess more groups and more episodes will do that).
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on November 28, 2011, 07:25:04 PM
Correction: I did try and it and it does work.
Good heavens! Is this what y'all are watching?

~A

Haters gon' hate  ;)  I thoroughly enjoyed watching.  Only type of reality competition show I watched this year, and it barely even qualifies as that IMO.  I started watching when it was first on because of Ben, but even if there is another season and he happens to not be a judge I'd still watch it.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: Allison on November 29, 2011, 07:55:51 AM
Correction: I did try and it and it does work.
Good heavens! Is this what y'all are watching?

~A

Haters gon' hate  ;)  I thoroughly enjoyed watching.  Only type of reality competition show I watched this year, and it barely even qualifies as that IMO.  I started watching when it was first on because of Ben, but even if there is another season and he happens to not be a judge I'd still watch it.

It's a crazy thing that I'm watching this. But I started watching because of Ben. I stick with it because I like it. Crazy. Who knew? I also do not watch any other reality tv. I'm a crime tv kinda girl. Ah well.

Also. I loved the Aires and Ben. It was cute. Made me smile.

I'm very happy the way it shaked out. Aires' in second is all I could hope for. My top two aligned with the mass public, which gives me hope for the world. :)


Shawn's post show interview sums up my feelings; http://www.nbc.com/sing-off/video/live-finale-shawn-stockman-interview/1370865

I will appreciate the bonus episode next week!
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: worldswillgrow on December 05, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
Anybody else watching the Christmas special? I'm trying to make it through the Mariah Carey and Justin Bieber songs...it's tough. Ben and Sara's duet was cute, though I kept thinking of Elf the entire time they were singing. And when is Nick going to profess his love for Ben? MAN CRUSH. That awkward laugh after he said he wanted to snuggle up with Sara but not Ben...kinda makes you wonder.  ;)
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: DAVID on December 06, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
the Ben/Sara banter before their song was the best part of the night.  That, and the return of the AMAZING beatbox chick from the BackBeats.  I hate Delilah on principle for not recruiting her.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on December 06, 2011, 03:36:49 PM
Well since The Backbeasts just released an album I'm guessing she wasn't really available to prep for a sing-off season.  I think she was in Noteworthy in season one with Amy Whitcomb from Delilah (and I think others as well) so I'm sure it was probably brought up at one point -- or maybe the producers didn't think it was fair for her to be on a third season in a row.
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: meecrofilm on December 10, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
Back again.

You know you want it. ;)
Title: Re: General Sing-Off discussion
Post by: AliKat4392 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:51 PM
I'm starting to like Nick Lachey. What's happening?