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Title: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: benjaminscottfolds on November 02, 2008, 08:26:03 PM
YOU RANG?

As you know I hang upside down in a dark closet like a bat until summoned.  Did you know bats piss themselves to regulate body temperature?  Any other bits of bat trivia would be welcome. 

Stems are a fine idea!  I have a label to run this by.  I'll see what I can do.  I don't mind people signing a petition at all.  It means you give a damn and I can't argue with that.  Thank you.  Senselessdrum seems to be the most outspoken about all of this at the moment, and to you I say:  Yes sir!  The quality of an album is ultimately the responsibility of the artist.  Some people love this album, some hate it, some don't care.   Its all a matter of opinion.  I love opinions.  I don't love opinions that are stated as if they are fact but I suppose we're all guilty of that from time to time.   I’m thrilled you care, and so I don’t mind spending some time caring back.

If this album was a movie I was the actor, passing on director's responsibility this time around so I could get a different perspective.  I chose a director, a producer who's made many more albums than I, who had a totally different way of looking at things - a yes man would have would have just done as I said in which case I would rather just produce myself.  I believe in giving a producer a lot of authority, like Amanda Palmer did for me recently when I produced her album.  Of course when a dissatisfied audience member leaves a movie early and throws a half cup of melted ice and coke at the poster in the lobby, its the picture of the lead actor that gets wet.  And I did say in my thank you section that anything less than perfect was my fault.  So I’d already agreed with that point.

As far as the sound goes, I wasn't involved in the engineering but I suspect what a lot of you are reacting to - the compression and distortion - began in the recording phase since during the mix there generally wasn't the option of a clean sound.  Compression seemed to have been committed to tape.  That effect was compounded in the mix and again in mastering.  So I don't believe its simply mastering that some of you are finding disagreeable.   

Dennis and engineers were actively going for this sort of thing.  A broken ribbon mic was chosen for many of the vocals and Dennis had me singing about a half inch from the mic.  They compressed and EQ'd the vocals heavily to tape.  I wasn't aware that they'd all been effected that way until the mix and it became obvious that there was no changing these things at that point.  So I embraced the effect and went with it.  Mixing from stems and self mastering could gain quite a bit of dynamic and would be interesting to hear.  I may do the same thing for the hell of it. 

I don't have perspective on the production of the album at this point.  Its too soon.  I usually hate what I’ve just done until I start making the next record.  I’m just now able to hear what’s good about Silverman.   That's why when I'm the producer I like to move quickly if possible because I lose perspective quickly.  I don't really like to get heavy on effects and compression but that's my personal slant - I'd like to see the music do most of that work but I also don't like to get stuck in my own rules.  I've produced a lot of my recent stuff so I thought it was time to try something different - Dennis was definitely different.    In mastering I tend to like a slightly lower level that makes room for dynamics, headroom for low end, transients etc.  This is old fashioned and sometimes it really just sounds dumpy when put into context with "modern" music - like when I hear my music at a restaurant and the next song by some other artist blasts it out of the room.  So I was open to this loud method.  I'll try anything once.  Or four times even.   

I wasn't at mastering so I'm not sure what was done.  Not because I didn't care, but because I didn't feel I had anything to offer aside from my typical "turn it down and take it easy on the multi-band compression" comments.   

Loudness is definitely now an official industry wide issue.  Its spread into the general public via articles like the one in Rollingstone about the Loudness Wars.  Loudness is like contrast in black and white printing.  High contrast is often the symptom of a hopeless amateur, although some master printers, like Ralph Gibson use it to amazing effect.  Loudness is also like a tattoo.  If your friends talk you into it on a drunken night, you can't really bitch about it the next day because its on you for good.  Might as well embrace it.  Or go even go for the full sleeve! 

Loudness might currently represent the dinosaur of the old music industry that's desperate to compete.  As that dinosaur becomes completely extinct its possible that all production with Loudness will be buried alive with it, including albums like mine.  A Loudness witch hunt may ensue, half of the Loudness haters not even knowing what compression is. Years from now some of those albums might be revived.  Disco was Satan for years and then we discovered Abba and the Bee Gees again.  All disco wasn't bad. 

Lyrics?  I can speak on that subject better because I was the lyricist.  I stand behind every syllable and would change nothing.  Reviewers who have been critical of the record seem to have a lot of really aggressive nasty things to say about who they think I am with very little to say about the music.  The most recent one actually just came out and called me an assh*le and suggested I see a shrink! Not even a pretense of a review.  It reminds me of those stories about soap opera actors who get yelled at in the groceries store for something mean their character did in the last episode. They are interpreting the lyrics in a way that I didn't intend.  Usually they seem to feel that I'm ‘angry’ and ‘bitter’ and that the record is one ‘long rant’.  Seemingly inspired they go on to write their very own long, angry and very personal rant using the word ‘irony’ occasionally but missing its existence in their own review. It is as if these people have been chomping at the bit since they were fifteen to rip me a new assh*le and they’ve come charging out of the gate, not failing to mention all their least favorite parts of my past albums while they were at it.  I hit a nerve is seems and I don't even understand the nerve I hit!  The one healthy criticism I might glean from these reviews, even if I’m reading between the lines, is that perhaps my lyrics weren’t clear enough!?

Then again, I see loads of positive reviews, many of which seem to get the lyrics.  The Suburbs’ very own Emerald, for instance could easily explain nearly everything I was trying to do.  So its possible that there's more to the lyrics than meets some eyes, even if its not your cup of tea. 

Effington has been called an ‘angry tirade‘ aimed at middle America (I hate freedom?!).  I'm not sure how they got that but they were c*cked and ready to defend the heartland.   Its just that I always daydream about veering off the road in random towns, getting a job, a new life.  Its a choice that you could make and I’ve always been fascinated by that.  I was on a bus with a youth orchestra traveling through Poland during the cold war and kept wondering what my life would be like if I were to slip off the bus at a truck stop and disappear into some random village and learn Polish... The concept isn’t too damn deep, but certainly nothing near a “tirade”.  Even the ‘effing’ in cars and houses stuff.  Don't you look at a town when you're passing it and just once wonder how many of the buildings are concealing full on mating rituals?  Haha.  Well, maybe not, but its occurred to me anyway.  Anyway, the mayor of Effingham has a sense of humor since he’s promised me my very own plot in the graveyard!

Free Coffee is my ‘rant ‘at baristas who give me something for free?  Nah.  And the imagery in this one is very careful and intentional.  Why has the old guy driving with an ice cream cone of all things?  How many many tasks is he taking on at once and where is he going in his car, in life?  He's still a child deep inside right?  He was always told life was short but it doesn't seem that way sometimes and he always finds himself back at what seems like the beginning.  The only difference is in the way people perceive him?  Maybe the free coffee is the senior coffee at f*cking Burger King so its pity coffee and not the fringe benefits of rock stars?  Whatever the case, he's just peering out of his vessel thinking how bizarre life is while unable to resist getting caught up in the pressure of it.  The character in Dr Yang isn't kicking ass and taking names across the medical profession.  This character is just trying to get it right.  If you got more time on your hands you start trying to fix yourself, or even finding problems that don't exist to fix.  That's not so bad.  But you have to laugh at it sometimes.   

Speaking of laughing, yes I knew people would probably laugh at the diaper line in Cologne and I do realize its a fairly radical thing to do in a pretty song.  But its not a joke.   Isn’t life sad and funny at the same time?  Its a pretty desperate situation when you’re so tortured and obsessed that you'll sit in your own piss for 18 hours.  That's focus!  And its real life.  This is the kind of drama that actually happens.  Is it allowed to be in a song?  I say yes, but it will put some people off.  Its also the kind of thing you might notice in a paper and wonder if your soul mate who's far away has seen it too.  Imaginary conversations -  the poets who look up at the same stars as their long distance lover might, hoping for some connection.  Only these days we see the headlines more clearly than the stars.  I am sorry if it provides an awkward birth control moment in an otherwise booty grabbing number.  To each his own.  It at least gets two points for being unique.  But I'm not trying to be Weird Al.    God I could go on about each song.  Yeah, some of them are barbed in places but I can find almost all of the ‘’easy targets’ in myself.  Often I enjoy writing from a less likable point of view than is normal in a business which hinges on heroes. If others feel uneasy as they find parts of themselves in there too, join the club. Life’s a trip, isn’t it?

Still, that's a very small part of the album and if music means anything in the equation I feel like the record is just about energy.

Once, my then four year old son Louis was in tow for the long trek from Australia to America and was playing with some wooden blocks on the airport floor in LAX.  They were Waldorf toys I think – something seemingly simply that requires imagination. He was engrossed.  He and his twin sister had spent most of their early years in Australia where children aren’t bombarded quite as much with the culture of videos and action TV at such a young age.  An American kid his age sat with down and tried to play with him for a moment but decided the blocks weren’t cool.  "Dude that's totally boring!"  Louis had been imagining all kinds of worlds of characters by himself and some video game kid who said "dude" informed him he was an idiot for enjoying his own creativity.  Louis looked pretty deflated and put the toys down because he didn't want to be uncool.  Damn shame.

Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 02, 2008, 09:09:42 PM
I have twice been attacked by bats.
Both experiences ended up with me schoolgirl screaming.
That's not really trivia.
Probably what I got for, erm, decorating, my boss's front yard.


And really the Cologne line is nice on the pointed level - though, you'd be surprised how many people are out of touch with quasi-current events and don't know it actually happened.... which results in some laughter cause they think you made it up.


Thanks for stopping by, again, and giving us some (more) insight. We're gonna be really spoiled, if we aren't already.


And that story about Louis is heartbreaking.



and.... i don't think ben's let go of halloween yet - bats and satan in the same post.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on November 02, 2008, 09:16:29 PM
HAHA you can't say c*cked.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 02, 2008, 09:24:04 PM
on the off chance that he comes back and reads the responses!

dear ben,
1. i think it is 100% awesome that you take the time to post on your own fan boards, of which i am on occasional member.  it's very interesting to get the actual artist's take on the fans' responses to the artist's work.  i have way too much to say about the new album to put it all here, but the overwhelming message: it's pretty damn terrific. so i'll leave it at that.  also, what allison said: that story about louis is depressing.  oh, americans.
2. i have to thank you again for signing that cd for me and my sister in dallas.  i'm the girl from michigan who came to dallas to see you with her sister.  i cannot tell you how great that night was, and it was primarily thanks to you!
3. i'd also like to take the opportunity to mention that tom peterson's shirt you seemed to wear all the time over the summer.  how do you know about tom peterson?! i thought i was the only person outside of portland who knew about tom peterson and how ridiculous his store is.  i have a tom peterson alarm clock!
4. of course, if you're reading this, i'll say this too: your music is really, really great and has had a profound effect on me.  so thanks for being such a fantastic musician/generally rad human being..
5. bats are scary as hell.  i got attacked by a bat one night when i was 13 and i lost my shit.  that was an intense evening.

sincerely,
mkg

ps.  i think that someday soon you and the band should host a question-and-answer session on thesuburbs.  i have so many questions about your music but the one time i got to talk to you the only thing i could manage to say was "hi you're awesome."  mull it over, perhaps?  it could be totally bitchin' if you guys did something along those lines.  
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on November 02, 2008, 09:26:47 PM
I agree that senslessdrummer has stong opinions, but he is an .orger, afterall. Me a reformed orger, have been long a burbs resident, and only an occasional .org visiter (So I know what it's like and where he's coming from). Only because it is funny at times, but I really do still enjoy the music. All of it. Even Silverman. And Rent A Cop. So nanner. Anyways, speaking of stong opinions, people just don't seem to want you or the music to grow up. I like the new music, the lyrics, the loudness of it, and the difference of Free Coffee. Yes it sounds great live, but what song sounds as it does on an album as it does live. That would be boring. And boring sucks.
But seriously, what's with that little quip in Cologne after "Such a painful trip, to find out this is it"?
I heard it again while doing an oil change on the wife's Mazda (damn 2200 mile round trip to Chapel Hill, sucking all the life outta her car) and had to ponder... is it SUPPOSED to be there?
I would have asked you but you ducked out on me.... and Allison several times last month.


Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on November 02, 2008, 09:29:11 PM
Oh and my 3 year old likes to pretend our hallway is a dark cave with bats and bears and whatnot. And we watched Batman Returns in the hotel the afternoon of the BF5 reunion show. That's all I know of bats, really. OH and the one time in Temple of Doom when that chick picked one up and thought it was her shirt. That shit was funny as hell.

Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 02, 2008, 09:49:59 PM
thanks, mr. ben! good to know you care enough to come on here. nice analogies, by the way. i especially liked the actor/director one (splashing soda on the poster).

you truly are the best.

EDIT: oh, the "you rang?" part cracked me up. i had to wait a few minutes to collect myself, and continue to read an eye-bending laundry list of pretty paragraphs. i'd read this over death of a salesmen anyday (i do enjoy it, just with all the other hw, it seems less enjoyable...bah).
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 02, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
HAHA you can't say c*cked.


Nah, Ben Folds just has his burbs censor on. Which kind of makes me laugh, seems backward.


And Chloe, I lovelovelovelove Death of A Salesman. We acted it out in my American Lit class back in the day of being your age.... maybe that's why I love it so much.


ps.  i think that someday soon you and the band should host a question-and-answer session on thesuburbs.  i have so many questions about your music but the one time i got to talk to you the only thing i could manage to say was "hi you're awesome."  mull it over, perhaps?  it could be totally bitchin' if you guys did something along those lines. 
We have a interview with Jared up here somewhere - though, that was Andy doing all the questioning, aaaaageeeess ago. But, also, the fanclub has a 'Ask Ben a Question' contest right now... are you a member?
And- hahaha 'hi. you're awesome' is better than my first lines to ben; 'oh, my friends are never gonna believe i met you.' in fact, one of them hung up on me before i'd even left the alleyway when i called in my fit of glee.


ps: i just spent a half hour on the phone with chris/sensslessdrum to assure him that ben wasn't angry with him. :) unless, you are, of course.... and then i instilled a false sense of security in him. whoops.

pps: ben, you get a few more points for starting your thread in the right subsection, most of us don't even do that.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 02, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
Aw Ben. I am guilty of stating my opinions as fact. I've spent a lot of time and money, in the thousands $, and I guess I do care/am level-headed enough to feel as though I have a right to say those things. Tough love is the most necessary love. I can take it just as much as I can dish it. Not to say I was necessarily dishing anything out- but I think you can (hopefully) understand that I do in fact care. Not every fan is going to like what you put out compared to what you've put out before. Not every fan had the luxury of following you from the beginning. I can see that side of things at the same time. I hope I wasn't too harsh, but somehow I doubt you are phased. As you shouldn't be. You know just how talented you are as a musician/songwriter. And I know that as well.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 02, 2008, 10:26:25 PM
You bitchez ready for a post longer than Ron Jeremy's c*ck?  Well good.  Because this post is longer than Ron Jeremy's c*ck.

Any other bits of bat trivia would be welcome.
Bats are deathly allergic to me beating the f*ck out of them with a trash-can lid that one time in Pennsylvania when that bat got in the kitchen.

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I don't love opinions that are stated as if they are fact but I suppose we're all guilty of that from time to time.   I’m thrilled you care, and so I don’t mind spending some time caring back.
I see how you cleverly avoided stating your opinion about opinions as fact.  Your reputation as a wordsmith, sir, is not undeserved.  Like Barack Obama, you lead our nation forward into the future on a magic carpet of clever verbal trickery.

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Lyrics?  I can speak on that subject better because I was the lyricist.  I stand behind every syllable and would change nothing.  Reviewers who have been critical of the record seem to have a lot of really aggressive nasty things to say about who they think I am with very little to say about the music.  The most recent one actually just came out and called me an assh*le and suggested I see a shrink! Not even a pretense of a review.
You notice how many of these people criticize the album for being "too angry"?  It's one of the Rolling Stone talking points that every other review in the industry is required to recite verbatim before/if they plan on saying anything original.  What the hell happened to rock music that makes reviewers think it isn't supposed to be angry?  Have Regina Spektor and Death Cab For Cutie completely neutered rock, to the point that we can't even remember that the Sex Pistols and The Clash used to be the saviors of rock because they were angry?

Whatever.  Dude, don't apologize for being angry, bitter, cynical, or any other negative emotion.  They're valid feelings, and if they have a home anywhere, it's rock music.  Used to be, the critics knew that and respected it.  Apparently we're not allowed to be pissed anymore.  Not when indie-rock means chicks that sing like retarded four-year-olds and guys singing like they shoved a peeled lemon up their ass and jacked off with Icy-Hot.

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not failing to mention all their least favorite parts of my past albums while they were at it.
Well I don't want to be left out of that crowd.  The last three songs on Silverman sucked.

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I hit a nerve is seems and I don't even understand the nerve I hit!
Rock isn't supposed to be personal, emotional, or raw in any way.  Try to be more like Nickelback on your next album: fake, calculated, manipulative, trendy, neutered, and focus-grouped.  You see, you need to trade your realistic song about demeaning women ("Bitch Went Nuts") for a fake, disgusting, chauvinistic song about demeaning women ("Figured You Out").  And you need to throw out the ironic musings about being successful in America ("Free Coffee") in favor of endless self-masturbation about success in America ("I Wanna Be A Rock Star").  Reject your serious examinations of what's wrong with America ("Frown Song") and replace them with mindless sub-pop drivel that would shame Bono for simplicity ("If Everyone Cared").  And finally, don't bother with the kind of serious introspection that you've been putting on your albums ("Effington"), not when you can do a cheesy power ballad about drinking or wisdom or whatever the hell ("This Is How You Remind Me").  Critics, who are only doing that job because they're emotionally stunted and got too many swirlies in high school, don't want to be forcibly exposed to serious, real emotionality or sincerity, because those are ideas they'll never fully understand (and most don't want to.)  So do them a favor: write a bullshit pop-rock record next time.  You've already out-boy-banded the boy-bands with "Girl," and out-Broadwayed Broadway with "Morgan Davis".  Can you out-Nickelback Nickelback?  My money's on YES.

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So its possible that there's more to the lyrics than meets some eyes, even if its not your cup of tea.
Totally.  Anyone who doesn't see the existentialist meditation of "Errant Dog" is a moron.  (I'm cool because I can pretend to get things!)

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Effington has been called an ‘angry tirade‘ aimed at middle America (I hate freedom?!).
Dude, don't be ashamed of that.  I hate freedom too.  Freedom=Paris Hilton.  Unfreedom=the highly successful socialist governments of Cuba, Australia, Canada, and much of Europe.  Unfreedom for the win, dawg.

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I was on a bus with a youth orchestra traveling through Poland during the cold war and kept wondering what my life would be like if I were to slip off the bus at a truck stop and disappear into some random village and learn Polish... The concept isn’t too damn deep, but certainly nothing near a “tirade”.
So tell me Ben, why do you hate Poland?  You got a problem with "the heartland of Europe"?  Are they too real for you and your rock-star ways?  You and your twelve houses and fancy cars and bling bling?

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Don't you look at a town when you're passing it and just once wonder how many of the buildings are concealing full on mating rituals?
F*ck that, I go in and check.

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Anyway, the mayor of Effingham has a sense of humor since he’s promised me my very own plot in the graveyard!
If you are, in fact, buried in Effingham, I will, I assure you, be effing on your grave shortly afterwards.  (Too far?  Across the line?  I don't think so.  Not to the guy who REDEFINED ANGER IN ROCK MUSIC BY PUTTING "c*nt" ON A RECORD!)

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The character in Dr Yang isn't kicking ass and taking names across the medical profession.
Who thought Dr. Yang was about kicking medically-professional asses?  

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Isn’t life sad and funny at the same time?
That's deep.  Here, take another hit of the joint.

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Its a pretty desperate situation when you’re so tortured and obsessed that you'll sit in your own piss for 18 hours.
Not if you're a bat regulating body temperature!

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Its also the kind of thing you might notice in a paper and wonder if your soul mate who's far away has seen it too.
Jesus, I hope not.  I don't want her getting ideas about driving from Maryland to Kansas to kill me in a diaper.

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But I'm not trying to be Weird Al.
Hey, you know that dude, right?  Could you try and coax him to focus more on original songwriting than parodies?  I really like his original songwriting better.  I understand if our friendship hasn't developed to the point at which you feel comfortable doing that for me, being as how we don't know each other at all, and we're not "friends" so much as "people typing on the internet", and I'm basically just an a**hole fan, but if the opportunity comes up, you know, like in a conversation with the guy, just think about mentioning it.

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God I could go on about each song.
Please do.  Even to the point of being late for a show.  Seriously, I don't give a f*ck if you're ten minutes late to some show in Bayonne or Bozeman or Lewistown or whatever dirtball burg gets the pleasure of your company next.  And while you're at it, what's the story behind "Philosophy" from the first Ben Folds Five album?  This dude keeps asking me, and I keep telling him I don't know.  It's seriously undermining my credibility.

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Still, that's a very small part of the album and if music means anything in the equation I feel like the record is just about energy.
Yeah man!  In all seriousness, it's the best one since the first Ben Folds Five album.  This album (and the fake one) turned me from a casual Ben Folds fan into a rabid Ben Folds fan that hangs out on this message board.  So, for me, at least, you made a great record.  So hey: good job dude, and thanks.

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Louis looked pretty deflated and put the toys down because he didn't want to be uncool.  Damn shame.
Yeah.  Wow.  What a downer.

I don't know if you actually read these replies or not, so maybe I just typed a bunch of sh*t for my own benefit, but it was cathartic for me (I had a bad week.)  But if you are reading: is Brainwascht about Fleming and John?  C'mon, dude, you know you wanna say who it's about.  What's the use in publicly telling a wickedly embarrassing story about someone cheating on their wife in the basement in 1994 if you can't let everyone else in on it?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 02, 2008, 10:30:09 PM
Aw Ben. I am guilty of stating my opinions as fact. I've spent a lot of time and money, in the thousands $, and I guess I do care/am level-headed enough to feel as though I have a right to say those things. Tough love is the most necessary love. I can take it just as much as I can dish it. Not to say I was necessarily dishing anything out- but I think you can (hopefully) understand that I do in fact care. Not every fan is going to like what you put out compared to what you've put out before. Not every fan had the luxury of following you from the beginning. I can see that side of things at the same time. I hope I wasn't too harsh, but somehow I doubt you are phased. As you shouldn't be. You know just how talented you are as a musician/songwriter. And I know that as well.
"Fazed."  The spelling, in this context, is "fazed."
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 02, 2008, 10:38:15 PM
Ben have you ever listened to the Black Keys?

You don't have to respond to this, but I think an artist can take a big lesson (no matter how famous you are, sir!) from how they recorded their first few albums. They did what they called "recording with equal parts good shit and broke ass shit"  - sometimes all they had was a drum mic and a 3-piece and an old beat-up fender and made a sort-of "medium-fidelity" type of sound. There's a quality to it that is unrivaled in recording today, besides in some more underground indie bands; where you can take things that normally wouldn't sound good and make it louder but not make it sound as if its some sh*tty live recording. Granted, a lot of it was recorded on 4-track reels, and not much digital, if at all.

All I'm saying is I recommend them, not just because they are a brilliant two-piece band, but because their recording technique is awe-inspiring in my opinion.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 02, 2008, 10:39:36 PM
Aw Ben. I am guilty of stating my opinions as fact. I've spent a lot of time and money, in the thousands $, and I guess I do care/am level-headed enough to feel as though I have a right to say those things. Tough love is the most necessary love. I can take it just as much as I can dish it. Not to say I was necessarily dishing anything out- but I think you can (hopefully) understand that I do in fact care. Not every fan is going to like what you put out compared to what you've put out before. Not every fan had the luxury of following you from the beginning. I can see that side of things at the same time. I hope I wasn't too harsh, but somehow I doubt you are phased. As you shouldn't be. You know just how talented you are as a musician/songwriter. And I know that as well.
"Fazed."  The spelling, in this context, is "fazed."


I've been such a bad speller since I took the 3rd place trophy at the spelling bee in the fifth grade!


Armadillo!


not armidillo!!!

D'OH!!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Brooooke on November 02, 2008, 10:48:10 PM
now that we're way off the topic, sort of... i feel the record as a whole a story.  and i love that.  every time i listen i keep getting these characters in my head and all these funky scenes start to play out.  it amuses me.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 02, 2008, 10:58:30 PM
I've been such a bad speller since I took the 3rd place trophy at the spelling bee in the fifth grade!


Armadillo!


not armidillo!!!

D'OH!!
It happens to the best of us.  And I would know, because I am the best of us.  And yet, in a spelling bee one year, final round, I got super-lucky and my final-round word was "warehouse"...and I f*cking spelled it "warehowse."
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 02, 2008, 11:02:07 PM
I've been such a bad speller since I took the 3rd place trophy at the spelling bee in the fifth grade!


Armadillo!


not armidillo!!!

D'OH!!
It happens to the best of us.  And I would know, because I am the best of us.  And yet, in a spelling bee one year, final round, I got super-lucky and my final-round word was "warehouse"...and I f*cking spelled it "warehowse."
I was always out in the early stages of spelling bees.

When I type, I speak (not aloud) what I'm typing. I do the same while I'm texting, I think it's cause I've always been such a bad speller.

That's why I keep Mel around, she's my editor. That and she's a fun person to have conversations with, we get ridiculous from time to time, or almost daily..... And she calls shopping carts buggies. And that makes me lol.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 02, 2008, 11:03:19 PM
I cant beleive I put phased instead of fazed. I'm going to loose sleep over this tonite.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 02, 2008, 11:05:32 PM
I cant beleive I put phased instead of fazed. I'm going to loose sleep over this tonite.
Sorry dude.  I'm just being the senselessdrum to your Ben Folds.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 02, 2008, 11:06:57 PM
C======= ;C
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 02, 2008, 11:09:13 PM
what the hell is that, chris?? i don't think you were getting what you were aiming for.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: rccody on November 02, 2008, 11:10:53 PM
maybe i'm just jaded myself on what i think ben's perspective is when he writes lyrics but i always adopted the idea of a sense of duality in his lyrics that may be atypical and throw off the general listener as they usually don't observe stuff in lyrics unless it's very coded idiosyncratic language, like just coded cult language they share with each other and laugh and giggle when they use their language to cuss someone out who doesn't understand it, and then it becomes interesting because it's coded klingon language about sex or drugs or masturbation like the whole deal with analyzing 80s music, and pretty soon they're talking about nena's 99 luftballoons being a metaphor for sex with a virgin or we hear that some van halen song is about sammy hager's penis for some reason--i just made these up i think--and i guess it does sort of happen with ben but hey it's the internet, i couldn't personally expect much of a difference

but he wrote stuff like not the same and it talked about using drugs, sure, but that could parallel a situation that didn't involve drugs or religion specifically and it was such outstanding flexibility in lyrics that i don't see enough of myself though i guess i can't complain too much if i can't do that myself

and who knows, i probably spoke too soon and he'll write a song about those three aforementioned things in a more pop manner

i still don't really have too much of a listening problem to [the new album] but my ears aren't so great anymore and thats probably what happens when you're next door neighbors with howitzers in iraq for about the rough equivalent of a year, give or take

i can understand why people would be a little thrown back by the static in free coffee but it doesn't really seriously turn me off any and it makes me think of chiptune music which i enjoy a lot, and it'd be neat if ben started doing video game music

i had been on both sides of the "that's not cool" comment but i end up seeing myself a few seconds later and wondering what changed me to be like that, but building blocks and legos are still great as the innerdork takes over, maybe it's just that now i'm older and the appreciation is inversely proportional to the time of death and one realizes how some things can be missed out on--

i think there's a story or song to this idea that i'm tapping into however

you should write a song about that, ben

you should, you should, you should, i smell an idea, the idea bulb is above my head and won't disappear

ps if you wrote something like that already then whoops but hey legos

pps i don't think jono11 is a legomaniac
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 02, 2008, 11:14:09 PM
That's why I keep Mel around, she's my editor. That and she's a fun person to have conversations with, we get ridiculous from time to time, or almost daily..... And she calls shopping carts buggies. And that makes me lol.

grammar is my forte.  i get sick enjoyment out of editing papers.  not my fault, really.  runs in the family.
i may call shopping carts buggies, but at least i don't call water fountains bubblers.  that's a big wtf on your part.

anyway, thanks for posting, ben.  you're a real dear heart.  sorry i can't be of assistance in your quest for bat knowledge.  the only bat i know extensive information about is Batman.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: rccody on November 02, 2008, 11:17:26 PM
thank goodness wikipedia is there for dubious information; 70% of bats are insectivores (? is that a real word) and only three species are into living on blood
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 02, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
Frog-eating bats identify edible from poisonous frogs by listening to the mating calls of male frogs. Frogs counter by hiding and using short, difficult-to-locate calls.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 02, 2008, 11:20:14 PM
That's why I keep Mel around, she's my editor. That and she's a fun person to have conversations with, we get ridiculous from time to time, or almost daily..... And she calls shopping carts buggies. And that makes me lol.

grammar is my forte.  i get sick enjoyment out of editing papers.  not my fault, really.  runs in the family.
i may call shopping carts buggies, but at least i don't call water fountains bubblers.  that's a big wtf on your part.

anyway, thanks for posting, ben.  you're a real dear heart.  sorry i can't be of assistance in your quest for bat knowledge.  the only bat i know extensive information about is Batman.
hey! at least Bubbler used to be the brand name for drinking fountains 'round here. If you continue to call a Puffs tissue a Kleenex I will continue on my bubbler ways. Long live the bubbler. they brainwascht (if i keep spelling it this way, maybe one day i'll finally get it right) us into calling them that from a small age. it's really a force of habit, four years in iowa couldn't even shake it. and now i'm back in bubblerville where i called it a drinking fountain and someone was like... wtf? the bubbler's around the corner. and my boss, who's from georgia just shook his head at us.


All I know about bats - except that they scare the hell out of me - is that they also like the roadhouse i used to work in. and they follow the screams. man. the one time i really girl out. that and bugs. hahahaha. i hate those f*ckers too. (notably the ones with more than 6 legs)

there is a really cute kids book about a bat - stellaluna, my youngest sister was obsessssseedddd (these things run in my family... my dad followed the greatful dead for two solid years..... i cannot escape my family either) with that book when it was brand new. we met the lady who wrote it at some book signing in town. </random shit>
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: rccody on November 02, 2008, 11:24:41 PM
a guy i worked with claimed he was deathly afraid of bats because he got attacked by them when he was a child, i think he was afraid of even watching batman though i don't see how he could get away with watching saw movies
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 02, 2008, 11:25:03 PM
1) i've never seen a bat before.
2) i love watching you flip out when a bug is near.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 02, 2008, 11:29:29 PM
1) i've never seen a bat before.
2) i love watching you flip out when a bug is near.

hahaha.

re 2: i'm glad it's on youtube. you should have seen me with the centipede that was in my dishwasher earlier this week. i did kill a spider at work the other day. for some reason i could do that. one small step for my arachnophobia, one erm, giant leap backward for mel's amusement.


i've seen three bats in my life. one in my dorm room freshman year. one in my roadhouse senior year. and one on chripy's front porch (which divebombed me, and for real ended up in my hair --- though anything in a 12 mile radius probably was too) this past summer.



Didja know (this came out of no where) that you cannot attack/kill a bat?. It's punishable by law, cause they're a protected animal. 

Lemme tell you, watching the guy from security try to escort the bat out of my dorm freshman year? hahahahaa, it was a total hoot. (OKAY, I've been watching too much boston legal, hoot just escaped into my vocabulary) it sucked tho cause it was in the middle of finals week and it was around 3 am, and i had just been working on memorizing the location of things in ancient israel on a map.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 02, 2008, 11:38:59 PM
pps i don't think jono11 is a legomaniac
But I am an egomaniac.

Quote from: Melissa
the only bat i know extensive information about is Batman.
I'll own your Batman knowledge.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 07:10:22 AM
I've been such a bad speller since I took the 3rd place trophy at the spelling bee in the fifth grade!


Armadillo!


not armidillo!!!

D'OH!!
It happens to the best of us.  And I would know, because I am the best of us.  And yet, in a spelling bee one year, final round, I got super-lucky and my final-round word was "warehouse"...and I f*cking spelled it "warehowse."
I was always out in the early stages of spelling bees.

When I type, I speak (not aloud) what I'm typing. I do the same while I'm texting, I think it's cause I've always been such a bad speller.

That's why I keep Mel around, she's my editor. That and she's a fun person to have conversations with, we get ridiculous from time to time, or almost daily..... And she calls shopping carts buggies. And that makes me lol.


Hey, I call them buggies! What's wrong with that? What on earth do you call them?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Emerald (Sabrina) on November 03, 2008, 08:05:43 AM
Then again, I see loads of positive reviews, many of which seem to get the lyrics.  The Suburbs’ very own Emerald, for instance could easily explain nearly everything I was trying to do.  So its possible that there's more to the lyrics than meets some eyes, even if its not your cup of tea. 

I might just take you up on that, Ben.  I've been wanting to write a review of Way to Normal (which would have to focus mostly on the lyrics since lyrics are primarily what I hear and "get" and love about songs).  I will make every attempt not to come across like an idiot after your generous and pleasantly surprising endorsement. 

:)

Once, my then four year old son Louis was in tow for the long trek from Australia to America and was playing with some wooden blocks on the airport floor in LAX.  They were Waldorf toys I think – something seemingly simply that requires imagination. He was engrossed.  He and his twin sister had spent most of their early years in Australia where children aren’t bombarded quite as much with the culture of videos and action TV at such a young age.  An American kid his age sat with down and tried to play with him for a moment but decided the blocks weren’t cool.  "Dude that's totally boring!"  Louis had been imagining all kinds of worlds of characters by himself and some video game kid who said "dude" informed him he was an idiot for enjoying his own creativity.  Louis looked pretty deflated and put the toys down because he didn't want to be uncool.  Damn shame.

What a sad but apt story.  One of the things I've enjoyed the most about your music and career in general is that you don't seem to put the blocks down no matter who says "Dude" (or whatever the bigger kids are saying these days).  As long as you play by your own rules, you can't really fail because you'll be doing what you love.  That's a complicated concept for a four year old, but so many people at 19, 35, or throughout their entire lives never get it. 

Thanks for hopping down from your stalactite and paying us a visit.  Also, there is a species of bat in Thailand that weighs less than a penny.  By my calculations, it would take 874 of them to play "Cologne" assuming they had recently regulated their own body temperatures... in which case you might want to rent them a Yamaha for the night. 
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on November 03, 2008, 08:15:41 AM
Carts?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 08:16:09 AM
Carts?

No, no! That's no fun.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 03, 2008, 09:08:49 AM
Carts?

No, no! That's no fun.

thank you, chloe.
buggy!
also...
COKE!  (not pop or soda)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 09:13:17 AM
Its definitely carts
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: You Dont Know Zach on November 03, 2008, 09:55:01 AM
damn, no mention of a studio record of Amelia Bright. I loved his huge OMGWTFHE'SBACK post. I wonder how much he had to go over the entire thing and make sure he used capitaliztion and proper sentenance formation.

Please ben if you read this far into your own post thread thing. All I want is a studio version of the Five's version of Amelia Bright. I could die happily if I heard it.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
Carts?

No, no! That's no fun.

thank you, chloe.
buggy!
also...
COKE!  (not pop or soda)
Ew, Texas.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Andy on November 03, 2008, 10:15:15 AM
I don't think I properly conveyed in my news post...

I am SUPER EXCITED at the propect of being able to mix this album myself. I can see this going down really well with the Ben Folds audio nerds among us, and I know some of you guys are capable of coming up with some wicked remixes. "Dr. Yang (Disco remix)" anyone?

I'm not sure what the distribution deal would be with this kind of project, but I'd personally dedicate a lot of time and bandwidth to creating some kind of sharing section. Chances are that if the label allows this to go ahead they'd tie it into the official site or the fanclub.

Ben, if you have problems with the label, how about releasing the stems from the 'fake leak' tracks? I've had a great idea for Free Coffee Town...

~A
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Seth on November 03, 2008, 10:32:46 AM
I'm not sure if I even said anything when I met Ben for the first and only time.  I think I may have said thank you or something after getting my picture taken with him.  I can't wait for the day the Ben knows who I AM instead of me just recognizing him.

I love this long post.  It makes me feel better about this album.  Although, unlike some, I have no problem with lyrics.  The only thing that really even annoyed me was Free Coffee.  But as a whole, this album is great and I love it. 

I love that idea about a question and answer with Ben.  There are so many questions I'd like to ask about specific songs, BFF and solo.  This should be arranged!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: beamer on November 03, 2008, 10:54:08 AM
Love the stem idea.  I had a lot of fun with the Radiohead stems that were released.

I can't believe how pro-active Ben is becoming on this board.  It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen in the music-world.  And I'm beginning to enjoy Ben Folds "the regular writer" as much as I like Ben Folds "the songwriter".  Great stuff.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 03, 2008, 12:23:16 PM
Carts?

No, no! That's no fun.

thank you, chloe.
buggy!
also...
COKE!  (not pop or soda)
Ew, Texas.

Louisiana, thank you.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
Carts?

No, no! That's no fun.

thank you, chloe.
buggy!
also...
COKE!  (not pop or soda)
Ew, Texas.

Louisiana, thank you.
The South is just a wholly owned subsidiary of Texas.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: SinginJen on November 03, 2008, 01:45:07 PM
Dear Ben,

Kudos to you for defending yourself when you really shouldn't need to.
I think the Louis/block metaphor describes Way to Normal perfectly.

Thanks for always giving us f*cking awesome blocks to play with.

Sincerely,
Shoe
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 04:15:08 PM
Carts?

No, no! That's no fun.

thank you, chloe.
buggy!
also...
COKE!  (not pop or soda)
Ew, Texas.

Louisiana, thank you.
The South is just a wholly owned subsidiary of Texas.

I'm in Oregon...we're not owned by Texas. I'm originally from Florida, but Oregon is my home now. I say buggy, and I say Coke (for EVERYTHING carbonated). The rest of you are just jealous. You've no culture!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 05:12:54 PM
A typical female vampire bat weighs 40 grams and can consume over 20 grams (1 fluid ounce) of blood in a 20-minute feed. This feeding behaviour is facilitated by its anatomy and physiology for rapid processing and digestion of the blood to enable the animal to take flight soon after the feeding.

The stomach lining rapidly absorbs the blood plasma, which is quickly transported to the kidneys from where it passes to the bladder for excretion. So within two minutes of feeding, a common vampire bat begins to expel urine.


 The one healthy criticism I might glean from these reviews, even if I’m reading between the lines, is that perhaps my lyrics weren’t clear enough!?

It's a possible and fair assessment, Ben, but I'm afraid that might not be the case. Sometimes when an artist chooses to be literal, the audience will take the artist's er, literalness too literally. If that make a lick of sense! Haha.

Basically what I mean is that those reviewers lack the insight to analyze lyrics with a fine tooth comb. Or even the time to do it properly, depending on how their deadlines are. Plus, you know, people not meshing with your sense of humor or people under the impression that you're angry. Or angry for the sake of being angry.

That reviewer you mentioned said that you needed to see a shrink. I remember reading that review, too. I wouldn't take it too seriously, Ben. The guy was shallow enough to form an opinion of your well being based solely on your song lyrics.

Admittedly, I was one of those people who said that the lyrics left something to be desired. Maybe it's because I just had difficultly relating to them on a  personal level as I have with your earlier work. Like "Jane" back on Messner for instance. Jane was essentially me a few years ago. This is all subjective of course and I do love the lyrics on some of the songs on WTN. You Don't Know Me, Effington, Kylie and Brainwashed all have wonderful lyrics. I especially love Effington! The tale you crafted of those two towns in that song is so engrossing.

Quote
Once, my then four year old son Louis was in tow for the long trek from Australia to America and was playing with some wooden blocks on the airport floor in LAX.  They were Waldorf toys I think – something seemingly simply that requires imagination. He was engrossed.  He and his twin sister had spent most of their early years in Australia where children aren’t bombarded quite as much with the culture of videos and action TV at such a young age.  An American kid his age sat with down and tried to play with him for a moment but decided the blocks weren’t cool.  "Dude that's totally boring!"  Louis had been imagining all kinds of worlds of characters by himself and some video game kid who said "dude" informed him he was an idiot for enjoying his own creativity.  Louis looked pretty deflated and put the toys down because he didn't want to be uncool.  Damn shame.

When I was a kid, I used to get the same thing. All my favorite toys were lego blocks and paint easels. I liked to build an create my own little worlds. It hasn't changed. I've just replaced my lego blocks with cameras, screenplays, musical instruments and D&D.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 05:14:11 PM
I don't think I properly conveyed in my news post...

I am SUPER EXCITED at the propect of being able to mix this album myself. I can see this going down really well with the Ben Folds audio nerds among us, and I know some of you guys are capable of coming up with some wicked remixes. "Dr. Yang (Disco remix)" anyone?

~A

I would be all over that like white on rice, Andy.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: TheGreatBenfolio on November 03, 2008, 05:18:29 PM
Coke is for Coke alone, bubblers dispense city water into my mouth, Kleenex is tissue of any sort, and when we play cart-hockey at WalMart we use CARTS.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 05:35:39 PM
Carts? It's Shopping Basket up here in the Canadian Tundra.

Also:

- Soda and Pop both fly up here. Although Pop is more common than Soda. I personally say Soda Pop. Coke is Coca-Cola and Coca-Cola alone. And we don't have as nearly as many flavors of available here. Hell, we just got Fanta a year ago.

- Sofa and Couch? Hell no! It's a Chesterfield.

- Remote? Not bloody likely! It's a Converter.

- Double Double is how I like to take my coffee: Two spoons of sugar and cream/milk. I went to a Tim Horton's in Buffalo once and they just looked at me funny when I asked for my coffee that way. They're right on the border! Come on!

- States? Nope. We have provinces and territories. 10 Provinces and 3 Territories.

- President? Prime Minister, thank you.

- Traffic Cones? Pylons.

- Products with English AND French? Oui oui.
 
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 05:42:16 PM
Carts? It's Shopping Basket up here in the Canadian Tundra.

Also:

- Soda and Pop both fly up here. Although Pop is more common than Soda. I personally say Soda Pop. Coke is Coca-Cola and Coca-Cola alone. And we don't have as nearly as many flavors of available here. Hell, we just got Fanta a year ago.

- Sofa and Couch? Hell no! It's a Chesterfield.

- Remote? Not bloody likely! It's a Converter.

- Double Double is how I like to take my coffee: Two spoons of sugar and cream/milk. I went to a Tim Horton's in Buffalo once and they just looked at me funny when I asked for my coffee that way. They're right on the border! Come on!

- States? Nope. We have provinces and territories. 10 Provinces and 3 Territories.

- President? Prime Minister, thank you.

- Traffic Cones? Pylons.

- Products with English AND French? Oui oui.
 

I can't stand when people say 'pop'. I die a little inside every time.
A converter for remote? I've never heard that one. I just say the clicker, like the old folks at the retirement home I used to work at. Those guys were silly! Except, you know, when they died.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 05:59:32 PM
Quote
Loudness might currently represent the dinosaur of the old music industry that's desperate to compete.  As that dinosaur becomes completely extinct its possible that all production with Loudness will be buried alive with it, including albums like mine.  A Loudness witch hunt may ensue, half of the Loudness haters not even knowing what compression is. Years from now some of those albums might be revived.  Disco was Satan for years and then we discovered Abba and the Bee Gees again.  All disco wasn't bad.

You know, I was re-reading this, and this paragraph in particular stood out to me. I don't necessarily think that Loudness will die out, but I do think it is fading. It's quite a shame when you think about it. "Fads" are moving way quicker now. It seems that stuff like printed news is going extinct too, which is a shame because usually the most compelling arguments and articles are found in newspapers, but they simply can't keep up with the world. I guess that's why they have 24-hour news channels, but they just end up filling the blank spots with empty and dishonest segments just to keep people entertained. And that's not what they're supposed to be doing; they're supposed to report the news--not just any news though, the important news. I could care less what Britney is doing with her hair, or her babies, or whatever else she does. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that someday people are gonna realize this madness and go back to (or rather progress into) a time where things make sense, like Loudness in music. Music is meant to be loud. Duh. I don't know what I'm saying. Or, I do, but I don't know how to explain it. I guess Ben did it better than me...what else is new?
Oh velle.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 03, 2008, 06:04:58 PM
Coke is for Coke alone, bubblers dispense city water into my mouth, Kleenex is tissue of any sort, and when we play cart-hockey at WalMart we use CARTS.

Yay. Wisconsinites!
And I'm a 'soda' girl.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: AliKat4392 on November 03, 2008, 06:16:12 PM
I find that people who say pop don't care if people say soda. But people who say soda HATE it when people say pop.
I don't really care either way.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 03, 2008, 06:23:59 PM
pop is what i call my dad.  not a carbonated beverage.  pop is a genre of music.  not a carbonated beverage.
i can stand soda, but pop is out of the question.

also, we don't have counties.  we have parishes.  so, take that!   :P
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 07:29:56 PM
dad is what i call my dad. coke is coca cola, DUH. you would have to be dumb to not understand the correlation.

pop is also a kind of music, yes. 

a remote is a remote. or clicker, i agree. or that channel-changey thingy. i use that sometimes

double double? what if you're ordering a larger size and/or you're the kind of person who likes more sugar than cream or the other way around?  all you have to do is say "4 creams, 2 sugars" yes, its one syllable more to say, but its not that difficult.

Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 07:32:12 PM
dad is what i call my dad. coke is coca cola, DUH. you would have to be dumb to not understand the correlation.

pop is also a kind of music, yes. 

a remote is a remote. or clicker, i agree. or that channel-changey thingy. i use that sometimes

double double? what if you're ordering a larger size and/or you're the kind of person who likes more sugar than cream or the other way around?  all you have to do is say "4 creams, 2 sugars" yes, its one syllable more to say, but its not that difficult.



dad is dad. or father. or yo, back the shit off.
and coke is not just coke. it encompasses all sodas. then they ask what kind of coke, in which you reply the carbonated beverage of your choice. DUH.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 07:47:13 PM
no, because coke is coke. there's different kinds of sodas, or another way to say it is "pop".. but at least i agree not everyone should call it "pop", it must be just a midwest thing.

but seriously  COKE is COKE. you order a COKE you get a COKE. you dont say ID LIKE A COKE and then get a MOUNTAIN DEW. BECAUSE A MOUNTAIN DEW is a MOUNTAIN DEW, which is a flavor of SODA. or i like to call it POP.

POP POP POP POP POP



WTF


lol
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 07:47:58 PM
i wonder what ben calls all of these things. he's the almighty dictator. what he says is THE LAW.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 07:53:40 PM
but seriously  COKE is COKE. you order a COKE you get a COKE. you dont say ID LIKE A COKE and then get a MOUNTAIN DEW. BECAUSE A MOUNTAIN DEW is a MOUNTAIN DEW, which is a flavor of SODA. or i like to call it POP. 

no, i do that. the waitress asks what i want to drink. i say, i'll have a coke. then she asks, what kind? and i reply, a mountain dew please. BAM.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 08:17:13 PM
pop is what i call my dad.  not a carbonated beverage.  pop is a genre of music.  not a carbonated beverage.
Oh, you.  Such a Southerner.  Can't tell you how many times I've been told, "Pop is my father, not a drink."  Frankly, I haven't known anyone who actually called their dad "Pop" ever, but hey, I'm not saying it's an impossibility.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 08:17:46 PM
i wonder what ben calls all of these things. he's the almighty dictator. what he says is THE LAW.

You must be mistaken. It is you who are the almighty dictator. Even Ben himself conceded to you.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 03, 2008, 08:24:23 PM
i don't actually call my dad pop, but i've heard it used before down here.
when i say i want a coke, i'm referring to the deliciousness of dr pepper.  coke, as in coca-cola, is gross.  cherry coke, on the other hand... that's something i can get behind.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 08:36:47 PM
Mmm. Dr. Pepper. I could go for a bottle riight now.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 08:41:58 PM
Coke murders union bosses in South America.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 08:43:09 PM


why dont you just say, "I'd like a Mountain Dew, please."
???

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i wonder what ben calls all of these things. he's the almighty dictator. what he says is THE LAW.

You must be mistaken. It is you who are the almighty dictator. Even Ben himself conceded to you.

If you say so!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 08:45:29 PM
coke, as in coca-cola, is gross.  cherry coke, on the other hand... that's something i can get behind.

I agree! I love cherry coke. Cherry coke zero is wonderbar.

Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 08:49:32 PM
coke, as in coca-cola, is gross.  cherry coke, on the other hand... that's something i can get behind.

I agree! I love cherry coke. Cherry coke zero is wonderbar.


Fine, if you like drinking the blood of freedom fighters and labor organizers.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 08:49:42 PM

double double? what if you're ordering a larger size and/or you're the kind of person who likes more sugar than cream or the other way around?  all you have to do is say "4 creams, 2 sugars" yes, its one syllable more to say, but its not that difficult.



Size doesn't really matter in terms of the double double. Some people take it in a small, others in a large. It's just a specification as to the amount desired in the coffee. Also here, if you say you want only one spoon of sugar and one spoon of cream/milk, you ask for it to be regular. No sugar and no cream/milk is black. They obtained the special terms here because they're the most common ways people take their coffee up here. You'll occasionally even hear "triple triple" for 3 of each. The terms are generally in place because of a coffee chain here called Tim Horton's. It's a similar concept to that of Starbucks' "Tall, Grande and Vente" so to speak.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 08:51:13 PM
coke, as in coca-cola, is gross.  cherry coke, on the other hand... that's something i can get behind.

I agree! I love cherry coke. Cherry coke zero is wonderbar.


Fine, if you like drinking the blood of freedom fighters and labor organizers.


This is true. I also f*ck babies
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 03, 2008, 08:52:08 PM

double double? what if you're ordering a larger size and/or you're the kind of person who likes more sugar than cream or the other way around?  all you have to do is say "4 creams, 2 sugars" yes, its one syllable more to say, but its not that difficult.



Size doesn't really matter in terms of the double double. Some people take it in a small, others in a large. It's just a specification as to the amount desired in the coffee. Also here, if you say you want only one spoon of sugar and one spoon of cream/milk, you ask for it to be regular. No sugar and no cream/milk is black. They obtained the special terms here because they're the most common ways people take their coffee up here. You'll occasionally even hear "triple triple" for 3 of each. The terms are generally in place because of a coffee chain here called Tim Horton's. It's a similar concept to that of Starbucks' "Tall, Grande and Vente" so to speak.

The more you know *NBC chimes*


that's seriously interesting to know. thanks for sharing
:)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 09:04:19 PM
Yes! I reward douchebaggery with useless knowledge. :)

And more douchebaggery, too. Assface.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 09:05:10 PM
Mmm. Dr. Pepper. I could go for a bottle riight now.

Yo, Diet Dr. P tastes the same as regular without all those pesky calories! Yay, America!! *melgibsoncry* FREEEEEEEDOMMMM!!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 09:16:49 PM
Mmm. Dr. Pepper. I could go for a bottle riight now.

Yo, Diet Dr. P tastes the same as regular without all those pesky calories! Yay, America!! *melgibsoncry* FREEEEEEEDOMMMM!!
I don't know, these days I pretty much associate Mel Gibson with anti-Semitism.

*melgibsoncry* JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 03, 2008, 09:18:08 PM
Um.

Where the f*ck did this thread go?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 09:21:10 PM
I don't know. I really don't f*cking know.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 09:23:34 PM
Um.

Where the f*ck did this thread go?
I don't know, but I think it's the Jews' fault.

*melgibsoncry* JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 09:27:32 PM
Raise your hand if you're Jewish.


*raises hand*
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 09:30:04 PM
Raise your hand if you're Jewish.


*raises hand*
You ain't lying, judging by that profile pic.  I am too.

Is Ben?  I heard someone say he's Jewish.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 09:31:55 PM
I thought so! Only a Jew would make a joke like that about us. ;)

Yep! That's me in my profile pic.

No, he's not one of us.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: meecrofilm on November 03, 2008, 09:32:17 PM
Ben is the shit for actually replying to this with an awesome, well-thought out post.

"Its just that I always daydream about veering off the road in random towns"  -- I do that everytime I drive back to school.

And the Louis story pretty much sums up what is wrong with modern culture.  Damn shame indeed.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: perthgirl on November 03, 2008, 09:37:19 PM
Dear Ben,

When I started to read I had decided that the way you commenced your post with 'YOU RANG!?' referred to Lurch from the Addams Family.  Some people here had attributed it to another source.  And yet both provided amusement to the respective reader.

Thanks for the analogy about Louis with the blocks.  And for reminding me that Australians are rather weird and low-tech in the way we entertain small children - it's quite true.

Thanks for sharing your blocks with us.  I might prefer it if your blocks had different patterns or made a different sound when banged together, but ultimately they are your blocks to decide how and when they are shared.  But that also means that if you decide that your friends can make your blocks better with stickers or by putting them together differently than you might have thought, then it's nice to know you can have that option too.

I can't guarantee that we'll play nicely together all the time.  Sometimes I'll call your blocks lame when there's nothing in my toybox for me to play with at all, just cos I think things should be different.  

Thanks for the post.  I adore the insights.  And what you've said this time has set a few things straight in my mind.  If I could just have a copy of WTN where I don't have to adjust the settings and volume between each track to make it more ear-friendly that would be great.  (PS:  I'm a big fan of dynamics but I'm used to it within pieces, not necessarily between them.)

I have nothing to add about bats. Penguins on the other hand...
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 09:45:05 PM
I thought so! Only a Jew would make a joke like that about us. ;)
More importantly, only a Jew could be as funny as I am. 8)

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No, he's not one of us.
I'm still demanding that he play Hava at my wedding.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 09:51:39 PM
Damn straight. And Ben does a mean Hava.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 03, 2008, 09:53:24 PM
Raise your hand if you're Jewish.


*raises hand*

i'm jew-ish.  emphasis on the -ish. 
i have jew-like beliefs, but my mother isn't jewish.   :-\
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
Well, it's a pretty sweet world view. I-I think you're welcome. :)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 03, 2008, 10:03:56 PM
my grandma's parents were strict jews, but she's a jehovah's witness now. so i guess i got some jew in me. i'm jewy. my uncle is really jewy.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 10:12:15 PM
Raise your hand if you're Jewish.


*raises hand*

i'm jew-ish.  emphasis on the -ish. 
i have jew-like beliefs, but my mother isn't jewish.   :-\
OK, well, if we're being brutally honest or something, yeah, me too.  I'm Jew-style, not Jewish.  But while I do love and take pride in my Mennonite side and Mennonite culture and history, I'm Jewish first.  It just appeals to me more, and makes more sense to me.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: ClareQuilty on November 03, 2008, 11:23:39 PM
Yep. That's cool, too.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 03, 2008, 11:44:50 PM
Besides, Mennonites are practically Jews anyway.  Subtract the whole Jesus part, and some of them might be better Jews than a lot of Jews.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Andy on November 03, 2008, 11:51:40 PM
Mennonites

Do doooo do do do.

Mennonites

Do doo do do.

Mennonites

Do dooo do do do,
do do do, do do do,
do doodle do do
DOO DOO DO-DO DOO!

~A
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 04, 2008, 12:22:59 AM
There's a joke here that I'm just not quite getting.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Andy on November 04, 2008, 12:32:20 AM
I never claimed to be Yacov Moshe Maza.

~A
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 04, 2008, 12:46:27 AM
Uh?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 04, 2008, 03:21:29 AM
Haha! Andy was talking about Jackie Mason. Clever, Andy.

As far as this part of your long, rambling reply to Ben, Jono:
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But I'm not trying to be Weird Al.
Hey, you know that dude, right?  Could you try and coax him to focus more on original songwriting than parodies?  I really like his original songwriting better.  I understand if our friendship hasn't developed to the point at which you feel comfortable doing that for me, being as how we don't know each other at all, and we're not "friends" so much as "people typing on the internet", and I'm basically just an a**hole fan, but if the opportunity comes up, you know, like in a conversation with the guy, just think about mentioning it.
~ Al has already mentioned that if he were to do an entire album of originals, it probably wouldn't really sell. People expect the parodies, and some even like them *like myself* I love his originals, too, and Al has even said the fans like them more, but Al is who he is because of the parodies. One thing you can do, Jono, is buy the albums, and just listen to half the songs on any given one, because that is the ratio. Half originals, half parodies. I suppose it wouldn't hurt for Ben to mention it to Al, though. Just saying it's not the first time anyone has thought about it.

Btw, Ben, I'm one of those Weird Al fans who, to quote you, would throw themselves under a truck for him. Yeah.

Anyway, thanks, Ben, for coming in and posting. I think it's great that you wanna connect with us.
~from the girl who, before getting a hug from you in Detroit, pointed to her fermata t-shirt and said "I'm wearing the shirt that says to" *facepalm"

Not really a bat fact, but we get bats here in Algonac. I see them flying around at night. That's as close I ever wanna be to one.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: J-dog on November 04, 2008, 03:52:27 AM
go aussie imagination! im 16 and i still play with blocks! tend to lean towards lego though...
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 04, 2008, 04:04:17 AM
Well, I'm an American, and we used to play with  huge boxes from appliances and pots and pans. It's just such a shame that someone tried to tell Louis that his blocks weren't cool. Shame on them. Nothing wrong with Legos, unless you have shag carpet, and your little brother leaves all the tiny pieces strewn all over. Mot fun to step on those.

As far as the discussion about carbonated beverages goes, I'm from Michigan, aka Faygo country, and it's pop here. I think that comes right from the most popular flavor of Faygo, Redpop. Definitely a Midwestern thing. I've been calling it pop for years. Whoever said that people who call it pop don't really care that others call it soda, and don't even mind calling it that, but the soda folks won't even say the word "pop" is right. I know someone from NJ who married a MI native, and he refuses to call it pop, while she still does. Shopping carts are shopping carts. Buggies are what you put a baby into. I used one for my son Derek. Bubblers? That's a new one. It's a drinking fountain here. The thing you use to change the channel is a remote. I think I've covered everything. LOL!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 04, 2008, 07:28:50 AM
yeesh someone doesn't like me. your loss.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 04, 2008, 07:42:24 AM
Um who are you talking to??

 ???
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 04, 2008, 07:52:52 AM
I don't remember, someone on another page. Called me some names out of the blue. Pretty unprovoked, but ok.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 04, 2008, 07:56:26 AM
I think I remember now. Yeah, that's uncalled for, really. Like you said, their loss.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 04, 2008, 08:11:54 AM
Seriously. I've really only been mean to one person, and that was that califoldsia chick. They were mean to me first, so I picked my target. Those who know me in person, which is a lot of you, know that I wasn't being mean to Ben. Yeah I joked around a little bit. But its nothing worse than Ben himself would have done. I just don't get what clarequilty was aiming for by being like that out of the blue. Wah-wah. Whatever. Can't be friends with everyone!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: You Dont Know Zach on November 04, 2008, 09:00:13 AM
Seriously. I've really only been mean to one person, and that was that califoldsia chick. They were mean to me first, so I picked my target. Those who know me in person, which is a lot of you, know that I wasn't being mean to Ben. Yeah I joked around a little bit. But its nothing worse than Ben himself would have done. I just don't get what clarequilty was aiming for by being like that out of the blue. Wah-wah. Whatever. Can't be friends with everyone!
Califoldsia is a guy, at least I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 04, 2008, 09:27:05 AM
i think i knew that haha
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: You Dont Know Zach on November 04, 2008, 09:32:39 AM
I didn't know if you were kidding or not.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: rccody on November 04, 2008, 10:20:48 AM
i don't hate you senselessdrum

you get a bro fist from me2u
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BROFIST

edit: ben folds can also have this bro fist

just be sure to send a bro fist to five other bros or you aren't a bro
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Mnemonic Nate on November 04, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
It's a wild guess, but I would assume most of us here are Gentiles.
I've got Deutsche on both sides, so there's no delusion there. ;)

Thanks for the comments, Ben. You rock and we know it.
A request, if I may be so bold: another instrumental track. Loved 'Before Cologne,' and I don't think it would be absurd to have a three or four minute track without lyrics. Not knocking the lyrics at all. Most of the power from great songs comes from the amazing line that couples with a great chord or melody. Just nodding to the fact that not every musician can write killer instrumental tracks.

The 'vampire bats' in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom were actually fruit bats.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: javajunkie (lynn) on November 04, 2008, 11:13:55 AM
As usual, I'm late to the party.

Anywho... thanks for another insightful post, Ben. Personally, I love the diaper line in Cologne. It's exactly the type of story that two people with a connection would have talked about, and once that connection is broken, what then?

Same for Effington - on our (now) many road trips, we've often found ourselves contemplating another existence. Who hasn't?

As for the sound, the only one that really bugs me is Free Coffee, because I love the semi-natural distortion the live version has - it really didn't need any more than the distortion pedal and Altoids.

Oh, and... please give us all plenty of notice if the musical ever happens... a preview show, perhaps? :) I know we'd fly or drive to wherever to see that happen.



Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 04, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
As far as the discussion about carbonated beverages goes, I'm from Michigan, aka Faygo country, and it's pop here. I think that comes right from the most popular flavor of Faygo, Redpop. Definitely a Midwestern thing. I've been calling it pop for years. Whoever said that people who call it pop don't really care that others call it soda, and don't even mind calling it that, but the soda folks won't even say the word "pop" is right. I know someone from NJ who married a MI native, and he refuses to call it pop, while she still does. Shopping carts are shopping carts. Buggies are what you put a baby into. I used one for my son Derek. Bubblers? That's a new one. It's a drinking fountain here. The thing you use to change the channel is a remote. I think I've covered everything. LOL!

FAYGO!  I love Faygo.  And I refuse to call pop anything but... pop.
In case you hadn't already guessed, I'm from Michigan too.  I'd point out where exactly on my hand, but I can't do that over the internet.  What a shame.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: senselessdrum on November 04, 2008, 12:40:42 PM
i don't hate you senselessdrum

you get a bro fist from me2u
...........
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............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
.........\.................'...../
..........''...\.......... _.·´
............\..............(
BROFIST

lol nice
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 04, 2008, 02:55:09 PM
Hehe, I'm from Southeast Michigan, on the beautiful St. Clair River. I love Faygo, too. Best flavor? Rock and Rye.

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FAYGO!  I love Faygo.  And I refuse to call pop anything but... pop.
In case you hadn't already guessed, I'm from Michigan too.  I'd point out where exactly on my hand, but I can't do that over the internet.  What a shame.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: VictimOfAWaterSlide on November 04, 2008, 03:36:28 PM
Ben, I love the album for the reason that it's something different, that your experimenting. I have 2 matt pond PA CD's and, I'm not trying to have a go at the guy, he's got some good songs (Taught To Look Away), but I swear, I can't tell any change in his style whatsoever. When I listen to just your solo stuff, each album has it's own feel, it's own groove. This one just happens to be loud, high energy, and more abstract (the diaper line endeared me to Cologne the second I heard it). Free Coffee is just crazy awesome. I love that song more every time I hear it, ear blood or no ear blood:) Anyways, I respect an artist's decision to try new things and take chances. By the way, love Amanda's album. Very, very cool. Now...I want three things of you: 1:A cover of Curtis Mayfield's "Freddie's Dead" 2:Fear of Pop Volume and 3:A live orchestrated CD other than ripped WASO. Give me those things and I will paint your fence ;D
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 04, 2008, 04:51:19 PM
Hehe, I'm from Southeast Michigan, on the beautiful St. Clair River. I love Faygo, too. Best flavor? Rock and Rye.

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FAYGO!  I love Faygo.  And I refuse to call pop anything but... pop.
In case you hadn't already guessed, I'm from Michigan too.  I'd point out where exactly on my hand, but I can't do that over the internet.  What a shame.

no way jose!  i'm from southeast michigan too.  ann arbor to be exact.  when i met ben in dallas i told him i'd love it if he could make it to ann arbor and he said "oh, i should.  ann arbor's a great city."
so, essentially, michigan is a great state and ben knows it :)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 04, 2008, 05:34:17 PM
Yes, I suppose he does. I got to meet him in Detroit. I'm from Algonac. Of course, my sn kinda gives that away. I have a sister in Dexter. Small world.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 04, 2008, 06:18:38 PM
what!? that's so strange.  i went to preschool in dexter and i used to live in a house on algonac street in ann arbor!
small world, indeed. especially since this site is based in the uk somewhere, right? what's the likelihood of finding someone who lives this close to me on a british website?!

that's really serendipitous!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 05, 2008, 12:02:44 AM
Haha! Andy was talking about Jackie Mason. Clever, Andy.
Jackie Mason can go to hell.  That guy freaking blows, he hasn't been funny in decades, and he's out of touch with reality.

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~ Al has already mentioned that if he were to do an entire album of originals, it probably wouldn't really sell. People expect the parodies, and some even like them *like myself* I love his originals, too, and Al has even said the fans like them more, but Al is who he is because of the parodies. One thing you can do, Jono, is buy the albums, and just listen to half the songs on any given one, because that is the ratio. Half originals, half parodies. I suppose it wouldn't hurt for Ben to mention it to Al, though. Just saying it's not the first time anyone has thought about it.
Hey, screw sales.  I mean, I understand the performer mindset--give the people what they want.  But at the same time, how much better and funnier could Al be?  There's a market for cultured, sophisticated comedy, and Al could be the guy to deliver it in musical form.  I do check out every album by Weird Al for the originals, and it's amazing--they never disappoint me.  The parodies almost always do, but the originals blow me away every time.  He's a great songwriter, and he needs to stop selling himself short.  The only parodies that do anything for me are the ones with a serious personal connection--the only one coming to mind is Amish Paradise, because of my close connection to the Anabaptist community.

By the way, OBAMA BITCHEZ!  DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR THE WIN!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Andy on November 05, 2008, 12:11:03 AM
Haha! Andy was talking about Jackie Mason. Clever, Andy.
Jackie Mason can go to hell.  That guy freaking blows, he hasn't been funny in decades, and he's out of touch with reality.

In that case, I *do* claim to be Yacov Moshe Maza.

~A
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 05, 2008, 06:57:43 AM
Ah, whatever, Jono. You're obviously as cold as you claim to be.

Be grateful he still does the originals. I like a lot of his parodies, but, that's me. I dunno. I am obsessed with Mr. Yankovic, I'll admit. Moreso than any other artist. He is my friend, too, and has always been very nice to me *on all four occasions that we've met*, so it kinda hurts when people say stuff about him like you just did, but, to each their own.

So, anyway, how about that Ben Folds guy, coming here and talking to us? That guy is pretty damned awesome.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 05, 2008, 08:35:42 AM
it kinda hurts when people say stuff about him like you just did
*Ahem*
Quote from: Jono11
There's a market for cultured, sophisticated comedy, and Al could be the guy to deliver it in musical form.
Quote from: Jono11
I do check out every album by Weird Al for the originals, and it's amazing--they never disappoint me.
Quote from: Jono11
the originals blow me away every time.
Quote from: Jono11
He's a great songwriter, and he needs to stop selling himself short.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 05, 2008, 12:00:02 PM
Ok, sure you said some nice things, but it just seems you kinda don't get why Al is Al. Or maybe you do, but you wish things were different.  I guess there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just uber sensitive. You only connect with one single parody? Really. You also said most of them are lame-ass. I don't agree with that at all. I connect with several, including White and Nerdy and the brand, spankin' new one, Whatever You Like. Reminds me of when I first got married. Pinching pennies is something we're doing now as well, but not to the same extent as back then. Anyway, I guess the fact that you do admire his talent is something I can hold on to. I live with someone who is totally negative towards Al. He tolerates my obsession, and is mystified by it. I don't agree that he's selling himself short just because he continues to write parodies. He still writes those originals you and I both love. At least we can agree on that.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 05, 2008, 12:19:29 PM
Hehe, I'm from Southeast Michigan, on the beautiful St. Clair River. I love Faygo, too. Best flavor? Rock and Rye.

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FAYGO!  I love Faygo.  And I refuse to call pop anything but... pop.
In case you hadn't already guessed, I'm from Michigan too.  I'd point out where exactly on my hand, but I can't do that over the internet.  What a shame.

no way jose!  i'm from southeast michigan too.  ann arbor to be exact.  when i met ben in dallas i told him i'd love it if he could make it to ann arbor and he said "oh, i should.  ann arbor's a great city."
so, essentially, michigan is a great state and ben knows it :)
ben HAS played ann arbor three times in the last couple years. he was just there in january??  http://www.thesuburbs.org.uk/tour/20080125/Ann_Arbor
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 05, 2008, 02:05:53 PM
he has indeed been to ann arbor a couple times in the past few years.  in fact his january show was my first show of his.  he also came to adrian, which is about an hour away, last april and i saw him there too.

i was basically asking him to come back.  i had never even heard of him around the time he was here before last january... so of course i didn't go to see him.  and i'm kicking myself now.
if i'd had more composure when i met him i would have said that i loved his last show in ann arbor and that another one would be much appreciated.  but all i could get out was "you should come."

i have trouble speaking coherently when i'm that excited.  as you may have guessed.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 05, 2008, 02:19:04 PM
hahahaha. ann arbor is a normal stop on his tour schedules as of late. so i don't think you have much to worry about.


then again, he didn't come to chicago for like 2 years, and now has been here twice this year. fine by me! (the latter, not the former)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 05, 2008, 02:39:46 PM
i wish he'd made ann arobr as an official stop on this tour.  but i'm not complaining too much...  i have gotten to see him three times this year, so i'm happy with that.

now that gas prices aren't as horrendous it's also more feasible for me to drive longer distances to his shows.  the only thing stopping me most of the time is school.  i mean, i could easily get to chicago for his show in about 5 hours... but school comes first right now.  damn.  senior year is cramping my style.

oh well. college = 9 months away.  i think i'll make it.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 06, 2008, 01:02:52 AM
Ok, sure you said some nice things, but it just seems you kinda don't get why Al is Al. Or maybe you do, but you wish things were different.  I guess there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just uber sensitive. You only connect with one single parody? Really. You also said most of them are lame-ass. I don't agree with that at all. I connect with several, including White and Nerdy and the brand, spankin' new one, Whatever You Like. Reminds me of when I first got married. Pinching pennies is something we're doing now as well, but not to the same extent as back then. Anyway, I guess the fact that you do admire his talent is something I can hold on to. I live with someone who is totally negative towards Al. He tolerates my obsession, and is mystified by it. I don't agree that he's selling himself short just because he continues to write parodies. He still writes those originals you and I both love. At least we can agree on that.
We certainly can agree on that.  To me, though, Al's parodies will always be him sticking with what he knows he can sell, sticking with the safe.  Just one album, Al, just one!  Just one album of cultured, sophisticated musical comedy, and I promise the market will be there.  There's a generation's worth of people like me craving a new Monty Python.  He's got the talent.  If he can get off his self-referential, self-deprecating trip and be arrogant enough to show his true talent and to truly succeed as an artist and as a commercially viable humorist, he could be a serious pop-culture contender, instead of forever remaining a sideline commentator.  Riffing on pop culture is fun for all of us, but I can read Al like a book; deep down, he'd rather be one of the culture-makers, instead of just ripping them.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 06, 2008, 01:05:18 AM
i wish he'd made ann arobr as an official stop on this tour.  but i'm not complaining too much...  i have gotten to see him three times this year, so i'm happy with that.

now that gas prices aren't as horrendous it's also more feasible for me to drive longer distances to his shows.  the only thing stopping me most of the time is school.  i mean, i could easily get to chicago for his show in about 5 hours... but school comes first right now.  damn.  senior year is cramping my style.

oh well. college = 9 months away.  i think i'll make it.
f*ck school. actually. no. school is good. and you're paying a lot for your education, i'm sure. i *almost* am at the point where i miss school. i don't miss the homework at all, but i miss the constant learning and the social aspect a lot.

i planned all my trips to only miss fridays or mondays. but never both.

that and ben had a knack for being around on my break.

two spring breaks he was in my state. one tour week. two fall term breaks. (and that's only of three years of college, my freshman year i had no idea who the f*ck ben folds was, except some guy my ex listened to) basically amazing for me.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 06, 2008, 04:45:58 AM
Well, ok, Jono. I can see you're just kinda bitter about Al and his career choice, but, yeah, I can understand where you're coming from, too. It's been a real trip talking to you.

Onward to the topic at hand: Way to Nornal:

So, uh, Ben, I'm in the camp of people who have no idea what compression is. Sadly, I'm also in the camp of people who haven't bought Way to Normal yet. I'm putting it on my Christmas list. *Ok, so maybe it's a small camp. or I'm camping alone* Our horrid economy, and the fact that my husband is unemployed is why I don't have it yet. I did enjoy the Detroit concert, and the songs from the cd that you performed there. I gotta hand it to your fans who follow you on tour. They have stamina. Waiting for hours in line to get the best seats. Insanity. I *might* do that again, but it'll be a while, sir. I'm 47, and the waiting and the standing during the show was exhausting. These young college kids are up to the task. They deserve a huge thank you. :) Thanks for stopping by here. Really appreciate you talking to us. Oh, and sorry about all the Weird Al discussion, but you brought him up. :P

P.S. ~ Thanks for the hug at the Detroit show, despite my dorkiness in pointing out my t-shirt before you hugged me. You're aces, Ban!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 06, 2008, 03:23:54 PM
i wish he'd made ann arobr as an official stop on this tour.  but i'm not complaining too much...  i have gotten to see him three times this year, so i'm happy with that.

now that gas prices aren't as horrendous it's also more feasible for me to drive longer distances to his shows.  the only thing stopping me most of the time is school.  i mean, i could easily get to chicago for his show in about 5 hours... but school comes first right now.  damn.  senior year is cramping my style.

oh well. college = 9 months away.  i think i'll make it.
f*ck school. actually. no. school is good. and you're paying a lot for your education, i'm sure. i *almost* am at the point where i miss school. i don't miss the homework at all, but i miss the constant learning and the social aspect a lot.

i planned all my trips to only miss fridays or mondays. but never both.

that and ben had a knack for being around on my break.

two spring breaks he was in my state. one tour week. two fall term breaks. (and that's only of three years of college, my freshman year i had no idea who the f*ck ben folds was, except some guy my ex listened to) basically amazing for me.

high school is good. bad.  everything all at the same time.  i'm just hoping that since i'm going to university of michigan, which is also in ann arbor, he will continue to make it a regular stop. 
when i graduate from michigan in 2013 i'll have lived in ann arbor for 22 years straight.  that's ridiculous.

anyway, now that his american tour is beginning to end (unless i'm mistaken, the rest of the shows are all out west-- california, etc) and his european tour is starting, when do you guys think he'll go on a full tour again? 
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 06, 2008, 03:30:21 PM
i wish he'd made ann arobr as an official stop on this tour.  but i'm not complaining too much...  i have gotten to see him three times this year, so i'm happy with that.

now that gas prices aren't as horrendous it's also more feasible for me to drive longer distances to his shows.  the only thing stopping me most of the time is school.  i mean, i could easily get to chicago for his show in about 5 hours... but school comes first right now.  damn.  senior year is cramping my style.

oh well. college = 9 months away.  i think i'll make it.
f*ck school. actually. no. school is good. and you're paying a lot for your education, i'm sure. i *almost* am at the point where i miss school. i don't miss the homework at all, but i miss the constant learning and the social aspect a lot.

i planned all my trips to only miss fridays or mondays. but never both.

that and ben had a knack for being around on my break.

two spring breaks he was in my state. one tour week. two fall term breaks. (and that's only of three years of college, my freshman year i had no idea who the f*ck ben folds was, except some guy my ex listened to) basically amazing for me.

high school is good. bad.  everything all at the same time.  i'm just hoping that since i'm going to university of michigan, which is also in ann arbor, he will continue to make it a regular stop. 
when i graduate from michigan in 2013 i'll have lived in ann arbor for 22 years straight.  that's ridiculous.

anyway, now that his american tour is beginning to end (unless i'm mistaken, the rest of the shows are all out west-- california, etc) and his european tour is starting, when do you guys think he'll go on a full tour again? 

california, ETC? more like just california...ha!
i'll be going to college around the same time you are. hoping to move to chicago. i need a change of scenery.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 06, 2008, 03:34:20 PM
another full american tour should start in spring.

i've lived in baton rouge my whole life.  that's 22, going on 23 years.  i can't wait to get out of here after i graduate.  it's time for change.  chicago, here i come!   ;D
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 06, 2008, 03:44:42 PM
i understand completely about the need for a change of scenery.  i need to leave ann arbor.  it's a great city but 17 years is, you know, a whole lot of ann arbor.  and the idea of 4 more years here is simultaneously comforting and terrifying.

senior year is kind of ridiculous.  it needs to be over.  and, so this post isn't completely free of folds references, does anybody know his plans for after the european tour?  i think i asked that before but i can't remember.  i need a cup of coffee and a nap.  i'm starting to go a little insane after a few nights in a row of almost no sleep.  but seriously-- how was i supposed to sleep tuesday night?  this election is history in the makin', y'all!  i wasn't about to sleep through it.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 06, 2008, 03:49:56 PM
i understand completely about the need for a change of scenery.  i need to leave ann arbor.  it's a great city but 17 years is, you know, a whole lot of ann arbor.  and the idea of 4 more years here is simultaneously comforting and terrifying.

senior year is kind of ridiculous.  it needs to be over.  and, so this post isn't completely free of folds references, does anybody know his plans for after the european tour?  i think i asked that before but i can't remember.  i need a cup of coffee and a nap.  i'm starting to go a little insane after a few nights in a row of almost no sleep.  but seriously-- how was i supposed to sleep tuesday night?  this election is history in the makin', y'all!  i wasn't about to sleep through it.



i agree. senior year isn't worth it. i do enjoy my AP English class though. today we watched Mighty Aphrodite, and my teacher (who hadn't seen it in awhile) forgot about all the dirty language, and her face went red. haha!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 06, 2008, 04:10:03 PM
mighty aphrodite!
i have a love-hate relationship with woody allen.  but that's one of his best.

we watched that in my ap european history class.  good times.


Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 06, 2008, 04:12:06 PM
another full american tour should start in spring.

i've lived in baton rouge my whole life.  that's 22, going on 23 years.  i can't wait to get out of here after i graduate.  it's time for change.  chicago, here i come!   ;D

so do you go to lsu?  i have a friend who ended up there and loves it.
also, baton rouge is entertaining, at least in small doses.  i went there for the academic games national tournament (seriously) way back in 2003, and it was kind of awesome.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 06, 2008, 06:14:52 PM
yeah, i'll be graduating from lsu in a year.  excitement is abounding. 
i'm REALLY tired of baton rouge.  it's nice being so close to new orleans though.  that city rocks.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 06, 2008, 07:36:54 PM
i wish he'd made ann arobr as an official stop on this tour.  but i'm not complaining too much...  i have gotten to see him three times this year, so i'm happy with that.

now that gas prices aren't as horrendous it's also more feasible for me to drive longer distances to his shows.  the only thing stopping me most of the time is school.  i mean, i could easily get to chicago for his show in about 5 hours... but school comes first right now.  damn.  senior year is cramping my style.

oh well. college = 9 months away.  i think i'll make it.
f*ck school. actually. no. school is good. and you're paying a lot for your education, i'm sure. i *almost* am at the point where i miss school. i don't miss the homework at all, but i miss the constant learning and the social aspect a lot.

i planned all my trips to only miss fridays or mondays. but never both.

that and ben had a knack for being around on my break.

two spring breaks he was in my state. one tour week. two fall term breaks. (and that's only of three years of college, my freshman year i had no idea who the f*ck ben folds was, except some guy my ex listened to) basically amazing for me.

high school is good. bad.  everything all at the same time.  i'm just hoping that since i'm going to university of michigan, which is also in ann arbor, he will continue to make it a regular stop. 
when i graduate from michigan in 2013 i'll have lived in ann arbor for 22 years straight.  that's ridiculous.

anyway, now that his american tour is beginning to end (unless i'm mistaken, the rest of the shows are all out west-- california, etc) and his european tour is starting, when do you guys think he'll go on a full tour again? 

oh god. i lived in brookfield, wi for 18 years. then lived in waverly, ia (yeah.... iowa) for 4. and i'm back to the milwaukee suburbs - for now...
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: jessieleigh on November 06, 2008, 07:52:55 PM
yeah, i'll be graduating from lsu in a year.  excitement is abounding. 
i'm REALLY tired of baton rouge.  it's nice being so close to new orleans though.  that city rocks.

i cant wait to travel around the country. seeing everyone post on here, it seems as if the a lot of people are from the mid-ish western states or the south. ive really never been anyway outside of the northeast/mid atlantic. (ok i went to disney world once. when i was eight. does not count) i was talking to a friend at work who lived in california her whole life and she was telling me how strange it was to be able to travel through so many states so quickly, referring to a trip i took where i traveled through eight states in about nine hours.

itd be amazing to go to chicago or new orleans. or really anywhere different. jealous.  ;)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 06, 2008, 09:27:11 PM
i've been to my fair share of states.  some more epic than others.
the only reason i've been to the midwest is because of ben and all of my benfriends around there. 
i used to only stick to the south and the east coast.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 06, 2008, 09:46:56 PM
i've been to my fair share of states.  some more epic than others.
the only reason i've been to the midwest is because of ben and all of my benfriends around there. 
i used to only stick to the south and the east coast.


yay!


same reason I've been to the south is Mel, and indirectly ben. If Nashville is "the south" it's South in mentality mostly it seems - but it's kinda center of the country.

I've been to over half of the states now. :) I'd like to make it to all 50 before i croak.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 06, 2008, 10:05:53 PM
i've been to most states. haven't ventured into the northeast yet though, which has a whole heck of a lot of states. haven't been to alaska or hawaii either. i need to get out more.
i have driven across country from florida to oregon (or vice versa) numerous times. that's always fun until we hit nebraska or kansas.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 04:23:45 AM
oh god. i lived in brookfield, wi for 18 years. then lived in waverly, ia (yeah.... iowa) for 4. and i'm back to the milwaukee suburbs - for now...

my dad's side of the family all comes from iowa, so i've spent a great deal of time there... i feel your pain, allison.
my mom's family is from the south, so i've also been there a billion times.  mostly new orleans, charleston, charlotte, and atlanta.

last summer i took the train from detroit to portland, or-- it was excellent.  the scenery on the way out west is gorgeous.  america is really kind of cool, from a purely aesthetic standpoint.  we've got a lot of really awesome places to see.

i've never been to alaska either.  but it looks incredible!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 07, 2008, 09:30:13 AM
oh god. i lived in brookfield, wi for 18 years. then lived in waverly, ia (yeah.... iowa) for 4. and i'm back to the milwaukee suburbs - for now...

my dad's side of the family all comes from iowa, so i've spent a great deal of time there... i feel your pain, allison.
my mom's family is from the south, so i've also been there a billion times.  mostly new orleans, charleston, charlotte, and atlanta.

last summer i took the train from detroit to portland, or-- it was excellent.  the scenery on the way out west is gorgeous.  america is really kind of cool, from a purely aesthetic standpoint.  we've got a lot of really awesome places to see.

i've never been to alaska either.  but it looks incredible!


portland is a cool town. it's probably the easiest city to get around in. plus that Everyday music store is friggin sweet. it's open EVERYDAY.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 01:46:51 PM
if i could move anywhere in the us, i would probably move to portland.  it's bike-friendly, sells ridiculously good coffee, and has stores like everday music and powell's (68,000 square feet of just books).  plus, i have more family members there than i would like to count (my dad is one of eight and half the siblings live there!).

the pacific northwest is nothing like the midwest...  talk about a change of scenery.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: emaline03 on November 07, 2008, 04:14:10 PM
Wow!  Lots of Michiganders (and a fellow Ann Arborite) here!  Who knew? 

I went to the January show and was pretty unimpressed.  Did you get a chance to see him in Detroit, girshwin?  It was a much better show. 

The best Faygo flavor is diet Grape.  I know which gas stations in my area sell it, too.

My son is playing with legos right now.  I don't let him play video games yet.  In due time, as he does live in America.  He builds fascinating things with his legos, blocks, and tinkertoys.  Amazes me every day.

His favorite artist is Josh Ritter.  But his favorite Ben Folds song is "Effington".  He can sing most of it.  I got a little nervous when he said he was going to sing it to his preschool teacher, but he said he'd sing it to her next year instead. 

We've talked about moving to the west coast but can't afford it.  The weather here really sucks in the winter, though. 

Hi Chris - I've missed you ;)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 07, 2008, 04:43:23 PM
Haha! That's weird. It's like we're switching places--me to the midwest, and you guys to the northwest.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 04:57:29 PM
Wow!  Lots of Michiganders (and a fellow Ann Arborite) here!  Who knew? 

I went to the January show and was pretty unimpressed.  Did you get a chance to see him in Detroit, girshwin?  It was a much better show. 

The best Faygo flavor is diet Grape.  I know which gas stations in my area sell it, too.

My son is playing with legos right now.  I don't let him play video games yet.  In due time, as he does live in America.  He builds fascinating things with his legos, blocks, and tinkertoys.  Amazes me every day.

His favorite artist is Josh Ritter.  But his favorite Ben Folds song is "Effington".  He can sing most of it.  I got a little nervous when he said he was going to sing it to his preschool teacher, but he said he'd sing it to her next year instead. 

We've talked about moving to the west coast but can't afford it.  The weather here really sucks in the winter, though. 

Hi Chris - I've missed you ;)

NO WAY!  You're from Ann Arbor too?!  That is RIDICULOUS :)  It would be even weirder if your son went to Angell Elementary School, on the off chance that he does... that's where I went!
I didn't get to see him in Detroit, which I'm still upset about.  I'm in high school, and it was on a Thursday night, in a large, dangerous, and notoriously-difficult-to-navigate city.  So I missed it.  I went to the January show though, and I know what you mean-- he didn't get nearly enough stage time.  Only, what, a 50-minute set or something?  Plus, at that time, it was the first time I'd seen him and all he was playing was new stuff I'd never heard.  I'd been expecting 2 hours of my all time favorite songs, so I was a little bit put off.  But I saw him in Adrian in April and that show made up for everything.  Amazing.

Regarding the winters here: they are absolutely ghastly.  My poor mother, who's from New Orleans, has the worst time with the cold here than anybody I've ever met. 

Haha! That's weird. It's like we're switching places--me to the midwest, and you guys to the northwest.
Chloe, are you from Portland/surrounding areas?!  thesuburbs is so full of weird coincidences.

Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 07, 2008, 05:20:23 PM

Haha! That's weird. It's like we're switching places--me to the midwest, and you guys to the northwest.
Chloe, are you from Portland/surrounding areas?!  thesuburbs is so full of weird coincidences.

Ha, no. I'm from down in Eugene, OR.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 05:24:45 PM
oh snap.  yeah, a little too coincidental i guess :)

eugene... is that where oregon state is?  i have an aunt or something (never met her, only heard about her) who teaches there.
i love the pacific northwest.  manzanita and portland especially though.

yeah, the midwest is nice... most of the time.  chicago is a really awesome city though.  i wish detroit had stayed as nice as chicago had.   
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: emaline03 on November 07, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
Chicago is much nicer than Detroit has ever been in my lifetime (I was born in Detroit).  I was at the Adrian show, too!  I like it best when he plays Ann Arbor, although the venues he's played in East Lansing are pretty good, too.

No, my son won't be going to Angell.  Northside instead.  He's only 4 and will be in montessori through kindergarten.  Do you go to Community High?  If you do, you go to school only a few blocks from where I live. 
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 07, 2008, 05:36:13 PM
oh snap.  yeah, a little too coincidental i guess :)

eugene... is that where oregon state is?  i have an aunt or something (never met her, only heard about her) who teaches there.
i love the pacific northwest.  manzanita and portland especially though.

yeah, the midwest is nice... most of the time.  chicago is a really awesome city though.  i wish detroit had stayed as nice as chicago had.   

No, Oregon State is in Corvallis (which is right in-between Portland and Eugene if you take the interstate). University of Oregon is in Eugene though. Do you know your relative's name? Maybe I know her! I like Eugene, but it's just soooo boring sometimes. Especially when the rains start to come around this time of year, and it's dark at 4:30pm. I'm just tired of having nothing to do. I'd rather have nothing to do in a big city, than here.
I fell in love with Chicago this past summer. I really hope I get the opportunity to go to school there.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 05:58:47 PM
My aunt's name is Katharine Girsch... she's a professor of Spanish, I think it is, at either Oregon State or University of Oregon.  There's a lot of Girsches in Oregon :)

I feel the same way about Ann Arbor occasionally, but I'm lucky... I have family alllllll over the country/world to visit when things get really slow here and if all else fails I can hop on the Amtrak and be in, say, Chicago in 5 hours.  My AP Latin class is going to Chicago for the weekend after January finals!  I'm excited already. 

There are some pretty excellent universities in Chicago/near Chicago.  If I had a really awesome GPA I'd consider Northwestern, which is in Evanston (which is super fancy and wealthy, but still nice).  But sadly I don't have a 4.0... so that kind of eliminates Northwestern from my options.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 07, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
My aunt's name is Katharine Girsch... she's a professor of Spanish, I think it is, at either Oregon State or University of Oregon.  There's a lot of Girsches in Oregon :)

I feel the same way about Ann Arbor occasionally, but I'm lucky... I have family alllllll over the country/world to visit when things get really slow here and if all else fails I can hop on the Amtrak and be in, say, Chicago in 5 hours.  My AP Latin class is going to Chicago for the weekend after January finals!  I'm excited already. 

There are some pretty excellent universities in Chicago/near Chicago.  If I had a really awesome GPA I'd consider Northwestern, which is in Evanston (which is super fancy and wealthy, but still nice).  But sadly I don't have a 4.0... so that kind of eliminates Northwestern from my options.

I applied for Northwestern a few weeks ago. Supposed to hear from them by December 15th. I don't think I'll get in, but at least I tried. My GPA is pretty good (I've mastered the ability to get good grades...it's not my smarts lol), and my test scores were okay, so we'll see. I'm also about to apply to Columbia College Chicago...they seem to want me (if the emails and letters are any indication).
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 06:15:56 PM
Chicago is much nicer than Detroit has ever been in my lifetime (I was born in Detroit).  I was at the Adrian show, too!  I like it best when he plays Ann Arbor, although the venues he's played in East Lansing are pretty good, too.

No, my son won't be going to Angell.  Northside instead.  He's only 4 and will be in montessori through kindergarten.  Do you go to Community High?  If you do, you go to school only a few blocks from where I live. 

WHAT.
I dual enrolled at Community my freshman and sophomore years.  I go to Pioneer now (I'm a senior).  Wait-- do you live near St. Thomas Church/School?  
Also, as if all these weird coincidences weren't enough, I did montessori too.  I went to Oak Trails Montessori School in Ann Arbor from the time I got kicked out of St. Thomas (don't judge) in kindergarten, all the way through 2nd grade.

This is so strange.  I never ever expected to run into somebody who lives, like, 15 minutes away from me on here.  How serendipitous/random!

The Adrian show was SO GOOD.  I just wish it hadn't been on a school night.  I had to start all my homework after I got home from the concert at midnight... that was pretty terrible.  But of course it was worth it.

Ben needs to come to Ann Arbor... soon.  
I applied for Northwestern a few weeks ago. Supposed to hear from them by December 15th. I don't think I'll get in, but at least I tried. My GPA is pretty good (I've mastered the ability to get good grades...it's not my smarts lol), and my test scores were okay, so we'll see. I'm also about to apply to Columbia College Chicago...they seem to want me (if the emails and letters are any indication).

Haha, I know what you mean.  I've bullsh*tted my way through so many pointless classes in high school and gotten good grades in them... only because I know how get good scores :) 
I'm applying to Columbia College also... it seems like a really interesting place, but I don't know whether they have programs in the fields I want to study.  I'm majoring in either Classical Languages/Literatures, Classical Archaeology, or Islamic Studies, so I have to be pretty specific!
I'm almost certain I'll end up at University of Michigan though.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 07, 2008, 06:58:40 PM
Hey, well it is a small world! Who knows, maybe I'll see you around haha
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 07, 2008, 07:04:33 PM
maybe :)

i'm going to portland for easter break in april... i had a dream the other night that ben played a surprise show in portland while i was there.  that was a nice dream.

ps.  i was noticing that this thread no longer has anything to do with bats, stems, or lyrics, so here goes:

according to wikipedia, when a bat retracts its tongue, it coils up inside their rib cage. sick.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: sunnyspeedster on November 07, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Martha? This is Sarah. Speaking of a small world...haha

 I too am quite excited for college, because high school really does impede your ability to see Ben. I was looking at a few schools out West, but Ben doesn't go out there much so those are pretty much out of the question.

Yay for all the Ann Arborites popping up on here!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 07, 2008, 10:34:45 PM

 I too am quite excited for college, because high school really does impede your ability to see Ben. I was looking at a few schools out West, but Ben doesn't go out there much so those are pretty much out of the question.



HAHAHAH. Awesome. :)

Got to stay midwest if you want to hit shows on your weekends.

Y'all should just come to school in Chicago, and we'll rent our own tour bus. :P
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 08, 2008, 06:51:25 AM
Martha? This is Sarah. Speaking of a small world...haha

 I too am quite excited for college, because high school really does impede your ability to see Ben. I was looking at a few schools out West, but Ben doesn't go out there much so those are pretty much out of the question.

Yay for all the Ann Arborites popping up on here!

Sarah!?  Hi!
Okay, this is the strangest set of coincidences I've experienced in a long time.  That's the 3rd person from Ann Arbor on here.  One of which goes to my school and is in one of my classes (yay humanities!).  ridiculous! :) 

I know what you mean about college vs. high school to see ben.  the midwest is where it's at with regards to ben.  so i want to stray too far either.
chicago excellent right now.  i second the tour bus idea :)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 08, 2008, 09:24:33 AM

 I too am quite excited for college, because high school really does impede your ability to see Ben. I was looking at a few schools out West, but Ben doesn't go out there much so those are pretty much out of the question.



HAHAHAH. Awesome. :)

Got to stay midwest if you want to hit shows on your weekends.

Y'all should just come to school in Chicago, and we'll rent our own tour bus. :P

and we could start a band and be like the partridge family!!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: sunnyspeedster on November 08, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
hahaha, let's do it! We could skip the whole college thing and start touring!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 08, 2008, 08:07:16 PM
college is important to have something to do the months ben is on tour across seas.

or not on tour at all.


and as a way to the funds that will support our touring addiction.
or.


already do. :)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 08, 2008, 08:48:39 PM
if only we could get home-schooled for college.  then we could spend forever touring/following ben... and when it was convenient we could, you know, study.

oh, and allison, i have a question.  how many times have you seen ben/the five live?! i'm guessing it's quite a lot...
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 08, 2008, 08:57:45 PM
1 ben folds five show (the reunion)
30 solo shows.
oh where's that one thread........

http://www.thesuburbs.org.uk/Board/index.php?topic=5213.msg69575#msg69575
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 08, 2008, 09:03:32 PM
daaaang.  you've been to ten times the amount of shows i've been too!
which of course brings us back to the beginning of this discussion... high school severely limit's one's ability to see ben (or anyone for that matter) frequently.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 08, 2008, 09:28:25 PM
i go to 30ish concerts a year. clearly, not all of ben. :)
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: sunnyspeedster on November 09, 2008, 05:43:39 AM
I've been to three Ben shows this year, saw the Mates of State a couple weeks ago and that's all. I was soooo close to going to the reunion show. My mom actually agreed to drive down there with my sister and I, as long as we did some college visits while we were in Chapel Hill. Sadly, we made the mistake of trying to get three tickets, and you all know how that ended.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: algonacchick on November 09, 2008, 06:05:50 AM
One Ben show, one Weird Al concert. That was about it for this year. Both were awesome, both I'd definitely go see again. I've seen Al a total of 7 times. Ben, just once, but what a great show! I will add that I was able to see Ben thanks to Allison, Brooke and Melissa, and I had a wonderful time. We were right up front, and I also got to meet Ben and get a hug. What could be better for a first show?

Here are my pictures from the concert:

http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/algonacchick/Ben%20Folds%2010-9-08/
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 09, 2008, 09:36:55 AM
i came relatively close to making it to the reunion show too.  my older sister found cheap tickets to chapel hill and we were this close to going when, of course, the tickets sold out in approx. 5 MINUTES or whatever.

sept. 18th was a sad day.  i would have given almost anything to be there.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 09, 2008, 09:45:29 AM
sept. 18th was a sad day. 

i disagree.  one of the greatest days of my life.   ;D 
not particularly because of that band that i saw but because of all those lovely faces i saw/met.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 09, 2008, 09:48:16 AM
it would most definitely have been one of the greatest days of my life if i'd been there.  instead i spent the entire day imagining how incredible the reunion was going to be... and then remembering i wasn't going to be there :(

i imagine it was the best day ever for all y'all who got to attend, though!
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 09, 2008, 11:58:11 AM
i haven't seen ben since '05 (i don't count the mayer show). probably my biggest reason for wanting to move to the midwest. just don't tell my parents that. they think it's their fault.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: girschwin on November 09, 2008, 12:14:47 PM
i have seen ben 3 times this year.  which is pretty good, i guess.
i wish he'd announce another american tour for spring 2009, during which he'd come to ann arbor.  and to portland/salem/eugene in april while i'm there.  that way you could see him too, chloe :)


Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: general_apathy (Chloe) on November 09, 2008, 12:16:47 PM
i have seen ben 3 times this year.  which is pretty good, i guess.
i wish he'd announce another american tour for spring 2009, during which he'd come to ann arbor.  and to portland/salem/eugene in april while i'm there.  that way you could see him too, chloe :)




that would be absolutely fantastic! although my mom was thinking about heading to chicago for my spring break just to see it for herself because she's never been there. i doubt we'll do it. we're broke as shit haha.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Allison on November 09, 2008, 01:34:42 PM
sept. 18th was a sad day. 

i disagree.  one of the greatest days of my life.   ;D 
not particularly because of that band that i saw but because of all those lovely faces i saw/met.

And by lovely faces you mean Darren Jessee and Robert Sledge.... right??
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: melissa on November 09, 2008, 02:11:42 PM
sept. 18th was a sad day. 

i disagree.  one of the greatest days of my life.   ;D 
not particularly because of that band that i saw but because of all those lovely faces i saw/met.

And by lovely faces you mean Darren Jessee and Robert Sledge.... right??

actually, i was talking about alex and his father, but i guess it was pretty cool to see those two too.   :P
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: fluid on November 11, 2008, 11:42:55 PM
All I can say is,

Ben can you keep the 'board boots coming?


:D
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on November 12, 2008, 07:41:38 PM
Speaking of boots, does anyone know if the Kansas City show got recorded?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: bassinyourface on November 12, 2008, 08:56:52 PM
YOU RANG?

Stems are a fine idea!  I have a label to run this by.  I'll see what I can do.  I don't mind people signing a petition at all.  It means you give a damn and I can't argue with that.  Thank you.  Senselessdrum seems to be the most outspoken about all of this at the moment, and to you I say:  Yes sir!  The quality of an album is ultimately the responsibility of the artist.  Some people love this album, some hate it, some don't care.   Its all a matter of opinion.  I love opinions.  I don't love opinions that are stated as if they are fact but I suppose we're all guilty of that from time to time.   I’m thrilled you care, and so I don’t mind spending some time caring back.


Holy gosh.  I can't believe this.

Are you guys ready to make a record...or what?
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: New Horizon on November 28, 2008, 12:59:56 PM
Ben may never read this, but I just wanted to state my piece.

As a song writer with my bands first CD release behind me, I wanted to say that I hold Ben's earlier lyrics as a gold standard to which I aspire....oh, and Regina Spektor. :)  The 3 BFF albums and RTS were amazing examples of his strongest lyric writing.  Something changed drastically after RTS though, maybe around the time of The Bens.  Ben, it feels like your approach to lyric writing changed, like you are more apt to go with the first thing that comes to mind...because it is (in a philosophical sense) the most honest.  I don't think there is any harm in polishing the lyrics and pulling them into focus.  When I write, I usually just get the ideas down...and then if I'm not happy with the lyrics, I spend as much time as I need to find the best way of saying it.  It doesn't have to sound cool, I'm not into that, but I peel away the layers until I find the truth...and sometimes it takes the lyric in a completely different direction.  It's not the subject matter of your lyrics, it's simply how you're saying it these days.  The delivery feels unfocused.

As for the diaper line....I really feel it hurt the song badly.  I was well aware of that particular news story...and the first time I saw the Cologne video on youtube from "In 'da House' or whatever that show was called, I thought that this was surely one of the 'fake' versions of the song.  That one line pulls the listener out of the world within the song...that one line, took everything wonderful and amazing that had built up in the first verse and killed it by pulling me out of the song.  I think even a different arrangement of the words would have helped and might have been less jarring.  Something like, "Say's here and astronaut, tried to kill her boyfriend.  She drove eighteen hours, in a pair of diapers."  Less jarring, but of course..just my opinion.

I say this as a fan who truly cares, not with the intention to be hurtful, but something big has been lacking in your music since Rockin the Suburbs.  There is a spark missing, something essential.  I'm not going to say...reunite with Daren and Robert, but I will say that sometimes we need to look to the past to find ourselves.  Sometimes we just leave ourselves behind.   

You're more than welcome to critique my lyrics. lol  There are some I'm not happy with on our album, but for the most part, I'm 99% happy with them.

http://www.myspace.com/intoxicadomusic
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Zoonie on December 01, 2008, 04:09:14 AM
Ah well, I went away and missed everyfink, didn't I?

The thing I love about Cologne is that it is a completely holistic song - the astronaut reference is reflected in the in the vast distance between the person in the song and his soon-to-be-ex (which echoes the vastness of the space between an astronaut, similarly stuck in a completely unfamiliar environment, and the people they love, on the planet. then there's the countdown, rather stupidly obviously.

I read that review that sniffily said "I mean does he *really* have to bring the tone down by mentioning such a gross incident?" (words to the effect of)

I thought - are you a tit? Don't review albums if you can't bring your brain to the enterprise.

(disclaimer: I live in a space obsessed household. the likelihood of not instantly thinking tghat song was great was minimal)

Also, you know, re: "Free Coffee", I hate to not follow the Suburbs line her (heh) but I totally got the production? It meant to be a big fuzzy mess? Here's the other admission: I actually don't really like it that much. I mean, it washes over me a bit. I wasn't that enamoured from the MP3's of the live gigs before the album came out, so I'd got used to what it was sayin' an all, heard the album version and shrugged a bit. It's interesting, and a departure, but doesn't work for me. Sosueme.

But you just have to look at my Last FM to know how much I love the new album:)

I well recognise the kind of incident that happened with Louis. It's my daughter's 5th birthday party on Saturday, and I'm actually a little concerned because her peers at school come from, on the whole, loud, brash, TV loving, brand loving families with alot of social problems. All her friends will be bored witless because we won't be providing a constant sugar fountain. The UK is bloody terrible for this kind of peer pressure / social insecurity thing.
Horrifyingly, my husband has suggested he wants to do magic tricks! Argh! I can't really dissuade him. I'm hoping it only lasts 20 minutes and isn't seared in to Nora's brain with a kind of burning horror forever. LOL. It is the parent's job to look like a complete idiot, at times. I'm sure I do.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: rccody on December 01, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
i like the way the diaper line wakes people up

as much as i like the grandeur effect powerful songs like that can have, i feel it's a nice touch to have a song that pulls you in then kind of shocks you out of it and makes you go "huh? wtf" and kind of suggests, whether intentionally or not, that songs don't all have to be full of themselves when it comes to being overly serious or dramatic, and it does come from a real place like mentioned before--it has the candid appeal

sometimes i feel ben does it because noone else will, and it really kind of sucks for that because that would leave him alone to take care of that kind of perspective when everyone else in the music "business" (serious business) is too self conscious to make a lyric like that pop up almost out of nowhere, most people have corny lyrics unintentionally and it makes a few of us giggle at the real impact it had as opposed to the intended effect the artist originally had in mind, and even so-called underground and independent musicians for the most part, those who claim to pride themselves on bringing about a different perspective or sound, center themselves around what they would rather prefer to express and have us look at them like as opposed to what they're afraid of being misconstrued as

and whether ben does it on purpose or not, like marc summers, he deserves the "you've got balls" award in the songwriter department in my opinion

my first look at the diaper line was just a chuckle and a short afterthought but i never imagined people would make a big fuss out of it like this, i had previously thought "oh how typical of ben" but now i see how jaded i was, and i was not the same after that
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: Jono11 on December 01, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
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i like the way the diaper line wakes people up
I still don't see what's so nutty about that line.  It doesn't shock me remotely.  It's part of the story.  Somehow people think flowery language and smooth niceties are what make good lyrics.  Good poetry is defined by the innovative linguistics.  There's a reason Ben's at the forefront of rock lyricism, but when he really lets it rip with something crazy, people don't let him get away with it.

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most people have corny lyrics unintentionally and it makes a few of us giggle at the real impact it had as opposed to the intended effect the artist originally had in mind, and even so-called underground and independent musicians for the most part
This is a very unpopular opinion in these parts.  I, on the other hand, could not agree more: song lyrics blow about 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Long Piece About Bats, Stems and Lyrics
Post by: New Horizon on February 01, 2009, 06:12:47 PM
Frack the fan club, I'm ordering it from Amazon.