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Title: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on October 19, 2016, 11:59:26 AM
After years of being on the fence I'm finally getting "back" into vinyl. Any thoughts on which albums sound better on vinyl? I see Messner is going to be rereleased on vinyl in December. If anyone's got an extra yellow Suburbs vinyl they're willing to sell please let me know! Best, Mike
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Ootini on October 20, 2016, 07:20:03 AM
I know it's the latest record, but 'So There' works a lot better on Vinyl in my opinion. Having the Concerto as a self-contained work on a side of a record makes a lot more sense than the strange transition on the CD from 'chamber-pop' to classical. I believe the Vinyl mastering was a separate master to the CD too. I would presume that the reissues will just be transfers of CD to Vinyl rather than complete re-masters? I'd be happy to be wrong about that though!
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: ASentimentalGuy on October 30, 2016, 03:16:38 PM
Ben Folds Five (the self titled album) is the way to go.  I own almost every album of Ben's on vinyl, but this may be one of my favorites.  It is a must have.  Also, I agree that So There is phenomenal as an LP and no you cannot buy my yellow Suburbs  :)
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on October 31, 2016, 08:47:33 AM
Plain Recordings S/T reissue is terrible. ORG Music reissue of Whatever and Ever is decent, but digitally-sourced from the 2005 masters. The original Messner LP is cut from CD masters as well as far as I know, but the new reissue is being mastered by Kevin Gray which should be really nice. ORG's reissue of Suburbs was pretty good sound-wise. Sound of the Life and So There are excellent.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on October 31, 2016, 09:51:37 AM
Thanks for the comments. I a bit slow-- but what does "S/T" stand for? I know I should know but I don't!
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on October 31, 2016, 03:11:06 PM
Thanks for the comments. I a bit slow-- but what does "S/T" stand for? I know I should know but I don't!
S/T stands for self titled, e.g. the album "Ben Folds Five."
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: ASentimentalGuy on October 31, 2016, 06:06:07 PM
Ok so maybe the sound quality isn't as good as it could be, but if you want a fun record to put on and enjoy, the self-titled is the way to go.  A huge part of record collecting for me is everything that comes with it, besides the fact that it is great music.  Nothing beats buying a new record, reading all the lyrics in the sleeve, looking at all the cover art, placing that needle down for the first time, and listening to an Album.  And as far as all that goes, as a Ben Folds fan, you should have that record.  Imagine yourself back in 1995 putting that record on for the first time and the feeling it would have brought you, or even now just think about Ben, Darren, and Robert putting their heart and soul into every song.  While the "audio" may be sub-par, the quality isn't lacking one bit.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on November 01, 2016, 06:54:40 AM
Thanks for the follow up on the "S/T." I agree. I do get the fact it was not recorded on the best audio set up possible but I agree the music is awesome. I know Ben loves the album--flaws included. It sounds like (no pun intended) this should be lower on my list as far as getting all the albums on vinyl with a limited budget. It's on the list but there's a few ahead of it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on November 01, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
The quality of the recording is fine, but the Plain Recordings reissue was poorly mastered. The CD sounds a lot better. I've never heard the original vinyl issue of it, but I have to imagine it sounds better than Plain's. Don't get me wrong, it's my favorite BF5 album. I just wish there was a better sounding issue of it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on November 09, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
Amazon just notified me the ship date for TUBoRM has been pushed back to January 27, 2017.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Steady As She Goes on November 22, 2016, 09:15:14 PM
I'm stoked about the Reinhold vinyl. Does anyone know if there's going to be a limited color release for this one? I got the W&EA orange version, but I jumped the gun on the Rockin' the Suburbs release and pre-ordered from a standard black vinyl version and missed out on the yellow release. Just curious if Reinhold is getting a red release or something along those lines. Don't want to miss out on that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on November 23, 2016, 12:32:41 PM
I haven't seen anything about a colored variant for Messner.

I'm stoked about the Reinhold vinyl. Does anyone know if there's going to be a limited color release for this one? I got the W&EA orange version, but I jumped the gun on the Rockin' the Suburbs release and pre-ordered from a standard black vinyl version and missed out on the yellow release. Just curious if Reinhold is getting a red release or something along those lines. Don't want to miss out on that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on November 23, 2016, 12:36:20 PM
Ben Folds w/ yMusic in Concert 2015-2016
Date: 11/25/2016
Format: 10" Vinyl
Label: New West Records
Quantity: 2000
Release Type: RSD Exclusive Release

Side One
1. Not A Fan
2. Erase Me
3. Capable of Anything
Side Two
1. Phone in A Pool
2. Stevenís Last Night in Town

Each purchase also includes a digital download with three bonus tracks.

The tracks will be released digitally to all DSPs on December 9.

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/broadtime_thumbnails/987/418457741987/418457741987%3A284.jpg)
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: maccapianofan on November 25, 2016, 09:58:26 AM
So just picked and am listening to the vinyl....really good sound actually. The digital download isn't available on the website so I don't know what is going on there. Hopefully it will be up soon; looking forward to the three bonus tracks.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on November 25, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
I emailed New West Records asking when/how we can download the album.

So just picked and am listening to the vinyl....really good sound actually. The digital download isn't available on the website so I don't know what is going on there. Hopefully it will be up soon; looking forward to the three bonus tracks.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: maccapianofan on November 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
Ditto  ;)
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: maccapianofan on November 28, 2016, 04:19:06 PM
Link for the MP3 downloads is up and running with the bonus tracks  :)
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on November 29, 2016, 07:02:32 AM
I've picked up So There and Sound of the Life on vinyl recently and they both sound great. I did see the self titled album in a store but passed because of some not so good reviews on the sound quality. I'd like to get RTS on vinyl but I have to say they've priced me out with $35 and $40 for an album on vinyl. Pretty crazy prices......but not as crazy as Phish on vinyl.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on November 29, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
The price on those will eventually go down.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: dogofthetemple on December 01, 2016, 09:07:01 AM
Does anyone by chance know what the bonus tracks are?
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: PonchoRavioli on December 01, 2016, 08:41:07 PM
Im Not the Man, Effington, and So There.  \m/
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on December 20, 2016, 07:47:59 AM
I may be being a snob (okay, am), but I was a bit bummed when the bonus tracks from the 10" ended up on Spotify the next week. I've got to remind myself that it was limited to 2,000 in its run. Hope everyone picked up a copy. A burbian (though through social media only, I think) took the photo on the cover, so I'm feeling all sorts of proud about it.

https://open.spotify.com/album/7nP53ierB0726Bxi0NK2BJ
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Steady As She Goes on December 25, 2016, 09:44:01 PM
http://www.bullmoose.com/p/24373143/folds-ben-songs-for-silverman-180g-vinyl


Worth mentioning. I have the original, but this is happening too. I think this makes all his releases pretty easily available for vinyl purchase.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on December 26, 2016, 07:19:24 AM
The Analog Spark reissues are very intriguing. Kevin Gray is a hell of a mastering engineer, and if it's from the original mix reels, that means these reissues should beat the original issues (digitally sourced, likely the CD masters) by a wide margin. I already have Reinhold Messner pre-ordered, I may just order Songs for Silverman, though it's not one of my favorites. That would leave Way to Normal as the only Folds album I don't own on vinyl.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on December 28, 2016, 08:09:48 AM
The self-titled BFF vinyl now appears to be out of print and the prices online are now reflecting the availability. I did pick up a copy but haven't opened it yet--partially based on some not so great sounds reviews I've read about but felt like I needed to get it for "the collection."
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Steady As She Goes on December 29, 2016, 08:38:58 PM
In this day and age, vinyl is the only physical format that really seems practical, why go out of print? Eh, what do I know.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Eric on March 21, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Not sure if anyone's gotten the Songs For Silverman reissue or listened yet, but I just noticed something quite interesting. In "Jesusland," the line, "Town to town, broadcast to each house..." is now "From town to town..."
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on March 22, 2017, 01:28:02 PM
Not sure if anyone's gotten the Songs For Silverman reissue or listened yet, but I just noticed something quite interesting. In "Jesusland," the line, "Town to town, broadcast to each house..." is now "From town to town..."
The Reinhold Messner and Silverman reissues were described as being from the "original mix reels." I wonder if these albums were remixed specifically for the records, or if an alternate mix was erroneously used?

I ordered the red vinyl Messner and the clear vinyl Silverman. Bit the bullet and got them both since they're limited releases. Buy now, think later... right?
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Eric on March 26, 2017, 03:54:34 PM
I did the same. I've been slowly building up my vinyl collection so it made sense that I pick them up. No regrets. If I remember correctly these were the first Folds cds I owned so they're pretty special.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on March 27, 2017, 07:22:52 AM
I gave Silverman a spin last night for the first time on vinyl and I was impressed. There is the "Analog Sparks" sticker on the cover (more about going to the source tapes I believe). Very minimum surface noise--really barely noticeable on some of the more quiet parts of the album. I played "Trusted" twice because I love the background vocals on that song. They sounded a bit different than the cd but great nonetheless. Any thoughts? Any opinions on "Messner" on vinyl? I haven't ordered that one yet.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on March 27, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
OH DAMN, if the songs are even slightly different, I might have to splurge, even though I have the original pressings.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on March 27, 2017, 04:23:21 PM
I know Messner like the back of my hand. Can't wait until it comes in. If there's anything different going on, I think I would notice instantly.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on March 28, 2017, 12:27:07 PM
Just got my red vinyl Messner today. Put it on 30 seconds ago. Will come back with results.

EDIT:

Here is my rig, for reference:
Pioneer PL-L800 linear tracking turntable
Audio Technica AT440MLa cartridge
Sanyo integrated amp

First, let's talk about the packaging. Very nice glossy sleeve, including a gatefold which replaces the printed inner sleeve which is now a snazzy matte plastic anti-static sleeve. The sleeve feels very sturdy. The art has great clarity and the words are printed pretty clearly, which is rather refreshing after the somewhat disappointing packaging of the Whatever and Suburbs reissues.

Next, the colored vinyl is just gorgeous. Bright red color, very clean, and appears to be little to no pressing defects. I think there was one tiny dimpled area which is inaudible on playback. The vinyl is dead quiet with virtually no surface noise. The sound is consistent from the first drop of the needle to the very inner groove with no distortion to be heard anywhere.

Most importantly, let's discuss the sound. I can say with complete confidence that this is the best sounding version of Reinhold Messner ever released. The dynamics are fantastic. Robert's bass and Darren's drums have never sounded better. The background vocals are rich and lush. The recording really seems to open up; the soundstage feels bigger and better.

The separation of instruments is out of this world -- the sound is NEVER cluttered, even in the loudest parts of Narcolepsy, the synth craziness of Your Redneck Past, the end of Regrets, or the climax of Lullabye. The increased clarity of the recording brings out details like the chimes at the end of Don't Change Your Plans and the little creaks of the studio in Magic. Like the original vinyl pressing, Hospital Song concludes side one and the final chord rings out into silence. On the CD, that decay would be interrupted and Army would begin. The horns have such great presence in Army.

I'm hearing things I've never heard before, such as very faint studio chatter in the right channel as the band begins to play on Your Most Valuable Possession. Jane is rich and warm (WARMTH on a Ben Folds Five record, imagine that) and I've never heard the electric piano quite as well as on this LP. There's also a gorgeous synth during the chorus that I never noticed before.

This is the definitive version of the album without a doubt. While there are no differences in the mixes used (unlike the Silverman reissue), the sound quality alone makes it worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on March 28, 2017, 02:53:54 PM
Oh shit, I'm going to have to go get that. My 99 pressing, I bought used (didn't become a fan till 05), and doesn't sound great - previous owner clearly played the shit out of Army... and that's about it.

WELP my normal go to store doesn't have the red variant. Time to hunt.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on March 28, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Oh shit, I'm going to have to go get that. My 99 pressing, I bought used (didn't become a fan till 05), and doesn't sound great - previous owner clearly played the shit out of Army... and that's about it.

WELP my normal go to store doesn't have the red variant. Time to hunt.
The black vinyl will certainly sound just as good. Depending on whether or not resellers jack up the prices of the red, it may not be worth spending the extra money on the red.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on March 28, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
True. But if I'm gonna get it, I want the color variant. Lol.


That way it's even more different than my 1999 one
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Sutter on March 29, 2017, 06:36:21 PM
Just listened to the clear vinyl Songs for Silverman. Let's talk about it.

Starting with the packaging again. This album does NOT come in gatefold packaging. The lyrics and pictures come as a full-size insert in the sleeve. The record comes in a nice matte plastic anti-static sleeve. There is definitely a certain sturdiness that Analog Spark's sleeves have, and the art is very crisp.

The vinyl is, once again, dead quiet... to the point where I actually began to doubt whether my speakers were turned on before the music started. And the clear vinyl is very, very cool looking. There is a little inner groove distortion present -- it's barely noticeable on a fairly hot and potentially sibilant vocal on "Gracie," which ends Side 1 in a tight inner groove, and it's also somewhat present in some of the more stridently-sung parts of "Time." It's somewhat forgivable since this record has a very tight inner groove, but I'm left wondering why they didn't reissue it as a double LP like the original pressing. I'm a bit concerned that I can hear it on my linear tracking TT with a microline stylus. I'd assume the IGD is much more noticeable with a traditional tonearm and a less fancy stylus.

Dynamics on the album are much better than any digital version I've heard, but there is still a decent amount of compression inherent in the mix itself. I feel as though the sound holds back a little too much during its loudest moments, for example the loudest parts of "Landed" and "Trusted." I will say that the band just sounds huge in those loudest parts in spite of the dynamics being a bit "tucked in."

Again there is a distinct lack of clutter in the sound. There is fantastic separation between the instruments, and the spaciousness of the recording is evident. The sound is truly warm and inviting, which is perfect for a laid-back album like this. Extremely smooth presentation.

Indeed there appear to be VERY subtle differences in the songs themselves such as the lyric change in "Jesusland" ('from town to town' rather than 'town to town'), but as I'm not quite as familiar with this album as I was with Messner, so it's harder for me to say where those differences are for sure.

I think the Messner reissue was a 10/10, while this is more like a 9/10 due to the slightly more conservative packaging, slight inner groove distortion, and taking into consideration that it would've been better off as a double LP set. That being said, this is the best-sounding Songs for Silverman ever released. Kevin Gray's mastering is impeccable.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Steady As She Goes on March 29, 2017, 07:10:21 PM
Just got Messner in the mail. I've owned Silverman since 2005 on vinyl.

This album sounds great and looks great. I just got it on standard black vinyl. The album art looks amazing and the packaging is sturdy. Listening to this album front to back is just fantastic, sometimes I forget how amazing the early albums were. Finally have his entire catalogue on vinyl.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on April 01, 2017, 04:25:44 AM
Listened to Messner on vinyl last night (regular black vinyl edition). I've got a U-Turn Orbit turntable and Bose system. The album sounded great! Very clear with extremely little surface noise. I had the volume cranked up on it and only heard slight noise between songs and on some of the quieter moments in Jane. I forgot to mention in my review of Silverman that I think my system is a bit heavy on the bass (not a bad thing right?).

Listening to this album brought back some great memories. I remember seeing the Five on the Messner tour in 1999 and it was the last time I saw them together until the reunion show in Chapel Hill in 2008. I live about 3 hours from Chapel Hill and knew I had to make that show when it was announced.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on April 04, 2017, 02:59:41 PM
I got a RED while I was on vacation back home at my mom's. THEN I left it in Wisconsin. WHOOPS.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Zeek on April 27, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
I recently picked up the WASO lp on Record Store Day.  In my current apartment, I don't have a record player, but I saw it came with a digital download.  However, it seems that the site (hosted on myplaydigital.com, which I believe is a Sony company) has been undergoing maintenance everyday since then.  Checking on Twitter and some other places shows other people having the same result.

Anyone else who picked it up have success?
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Eric on April 27, 2017, 03:01:57 PM
I was able to get it to load with Firefox but not with Chrome. But then I ended up getting an access denied error when I put in the code. Refreshed and got an error saying my download limit had been reached.

Ended up emailing support and getting a Wetransfer link from them.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: chilliwhippet on April 28, 2017, 06:22:14 AM
I've got the same problem. I tried to download at home and work and no such luck with either.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on September 12, 2017, 03:19:32 PM
Just found this listing on Amazon - Supersunnyspeedgraphic, the LP (LP). Release date is 2017/10/20.

https://smile.amazon.com/Supersunnyspeedgraphic-2-LP-Ben-Folds/dp/B07574WDBV/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505258238&sr=8-2&keywords=Supersunnyspeedgraphic (https://smile.amazon.com/Supersunnyspeedgraphic-2-LP-Ben-Folds/dp/B07574WDBV/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505258238&sr=8-2&keywords=Supersunnyspeedgraphic)
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Steady As She Goes on September 19, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
Supersunnyspeedgraphic!

I have mixed feelings about this. I love the EPs, don't get me wrong, but I do not like this release. I don't like the re-visited versions of these songs. I really think that Ben should have just let them be!! I also don't like how it skims over half the stuff he wrote on the EPs.

This would be a good opportunity to just release all three EPs as they originally were, in a vinyl format.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on September 21, 2017, 07:40:15 AM
I actually listened to supersunnyspeedgraphic on the way to work today, cause I too always choose the EPs themselves. But the fact that this vinyl is coming out....

I liked it more than I remembered. I still hate the Bitches Ain't Shit reprise being attached to Still (and not a true hidden track). But I liked the orchestrations better than how my hackles must have gone up in 06.
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: Allison on September 22, 2017, 11:04:28 AM
The company also has said via twitter that there's no plan for a color variant
Title: Re: Thoughts on BF/BFF vinyl
Post by: jpar on September 24, 2017, 08:03:32 AM
Agreed 110%, but as a completist Iíll get whatever is released. How often I spin it is another matter entirely.

Supersunnyspeedgraphic!

I have mixed feelings about this. I love the EPs, don't get me wrong, but I do not like this release. I don't like the re-visited versions of these songs. I really think that Ben should have just let them be!! I also don't like how it skims over half the stuff he wrote on the EPs.

This would be a good opportunity to just release all three EPs as they originally were, in a vinyl format.